Would that be the person doing what the UK Goverment should be doing; trying to protect the increasingly fragile peace in N.I?Originally Posted by Llani Boy
Would that be the person doing what the UK Goverment should be doing; trying to protect the increasingly fragile peace in N.I?
You bought into EU myths. Here a reality check. There were only two outcomes of the EU insult (I will decline to call it a deal, it was never intended as such by them)
Either the effective annexation of northern ireland into permanent customs union so no longer under UK control or jurisdiction Inevitably alienating unionists disturbing the peace (are you listening to DUP?) Or the building of a physical border alienating republicans both sides of the border So both the EU decided and forced (not UK forced) alternatives result in trouble and EU are deliberately inciting it.
The simple alternative brexiteers support of an invisible electronic border avoids the grief. No border is perferct. Northern Ireland has very few points of entry, so it would work. But it offends EU intent on humiliation using their offensive red lines. World war II started by eannexation by the third reich, the fourth reich now want to annexe northern ireland.
Sadly varadkar is caught in the EU trap himself and is a useful idiot for them. If we do not allow annexation they will force him into building the wall, or demand he accept checks in the channel and gets fined for failing to do what he is told. Which is why he is fighting us. Varadkar is deeply unpopular at home, and is trying to score points being nasty to brits.
Surely any remainers rose tinted view of brussels is now tarnished by their refusal to negotiate in good faith or even negotiate at all. Which is why none can accept the deal which relies on good faith on their part.
Last edited by Oracle; 13-03-2019 at 10:49 AM.
I’m calling Godwin in that 😆
If only it were exaggeration for effect. The similiarites are disturbing. As is EU intended militarization. As is the fact one faction in Austria welcomed the annexation.
The wanton disregard that EU shows for unionists in their annexation is alarming and far from the previous poster buying the myth of preserving the peace, the deliberate alienation of unionists by the EU is quite the reverse.
Last edited by Oracle; 13-03-2019 at 11:33 AM.
Oracle, why would the EU negotiate in good faith or even at all? It is not vaguely in their interests to allow one of the strongest partners to leave. Anyone who thinks there would be an acceptable negotiated position is living in la la land. The only way to negotiate is to leave with no agreement and then thrash out the details afterwards. A leaving party has no negotiating position. A left party has plenty.
Even then, they’ll want to negotiate the best possible deal for themselves. As will everyone else we negotiate a deal with.
Of course. But the difference is that we won't have both hands tied behind our backs.
Visibility good except in Hill Fog
Of course I am privileged by having been paid in a previous existence to plan and execute industrial relations negotiations where a decimal point or two on a paybill of several £billion could end up as serious money, but the greatest crime of this government was naively thinking that the big hitters of the EU were their friends and would happily reach an amicable agreement etc etc.
I think Margaret Thatcher's advice would have been "Theresa, think of the EU as the NUM and you won't go far wrong".
I entirely agree Wheeze. From the time EU refused to discuss trade, I have been a "no dealer". Please tell that to our boneheaded MPs.
The public will discover the lack of teeth in many EU threats then pragmatism will take over. I also believe the EU as we know it will collapse because of the Euro and mass migration on a timescale of 3-5 years, and then be replaced by something more useful and loose based on trade and areas of common interest ( rather than superstate), in which we should then play a big part.
Agreed provided you swap the word Government for "May" who mistakenly wanted to think the best of people, (then was wholly mis-advised by remainer civil servants)
Davies for example had no such illusions, and I think would have done better.
It is strange that ERG are called "right wing radicals" who seem to be the only ones in parliament following the democratic manifestos, and May's own statements about no deal better than bad deal.
Last edited by Oracle; 13-03-2019 at 12:26 PM.
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