Quote Originally Posted by noel View Post
I agree. Normally this amount of turmoil within a ruling party would mean the opposition would be 15 points ahead in the polls. Whereas actually they're 10 points behind. Not many people singing "Oh Jeremy Corbin" now. Maybe they need to change the emphasis to one of disappointment.

TBH I'm disappointed by both main parties at the moment (more so than usual). What's a suitable analogy? Cats fighting in a bag? It seems clear to me that the left of the right and right of the left could quite easily agree on the principles of a brexit deal, but they still regard each other as the enemy.
I said at the last General Election that it was like trying to pick the least bad shit-show out of a bunch of shit-shows.

In my opinion the last decent Labour leader was John Smith and I wasn't alive when they had a good one before him.

The last decent Conservative leader was Margaret Thatcher and I wasn't alive when they had a good one before her.

In almost 54 years that's a pretty sad state of affairs.

It's not just the two main parties either. The ever virtuous Liberals/LibDems have had Thorpe, good old David Steele, Paddy Pantsdown….. and Clegg who sold out on a main pledge to get a cabinet position.

One of my hopes of Brexit was to have a clean out here in the UK and I think that is what will happen as a result of this mess.

In the Tories, the only people keeping May in position are the ones that know they are toast if she goes. Self-preservation and ministerial cars and trimmings ahead of national and party interest.