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    Quote Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry View Post
    One really has to question the accouracy of these polls. Look at this one from April 4th.

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...no-deal-brexit
    The accuracy of which? You are making the same mistake our politicians are if you consider the polls related:

    Which is to consider the philosophically / logically bankrupt evaluation of an option in an absolute sense ( so the above poll is totally meaningless) regardless of whether there are other alternatives. That is clearly not the same as whether it is the best choice of limited options. Reductio ad absurdum, if it is the only option there is it can get 1 percent approval in absolute terms, but 99 percent as the way we should go. Like going to war in 39. 1% wish to do it so would label it a bad outcome. 99% agree with the necessity. Sad we have to restrain europe again from its own stupidity 70 years later. They never learn.

    So it is not surprising that when confronted with other choices, "no deal" which may not be preferred in an ideal world, in relative terms wins hands down. Except with politicians who are stupid enough to vote to not no deal. Clearly they have limited IQ or they are trying to force remain.

    And I can confirm ERG would rather not no deal. But when confronted with an EU that refuses to negotiate on any matter of substance, intent on humiliation not dealing, and the reality of the lack of other alternatives, the backstop (and other insidious terms in barniers deal) remain , customs union (a worse form of remain) , or extending the purgatory for no other reason than MPs are too chicken to do anything else. No deal wins, as the other poll says.

    The two are not incompatible.
    All of us would rather EU negotiated in good faith. But the fact that they won't and they never have done so, is why we must leave. So no deal it is. Barnier decided no deal with his ridiculous negotiation stance.
    Last edited by Oracle; 09-04-2019 at 05:55 PM.

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