Farage NEW PM

[Oracle]

Oracle, what single point are you making that you’d like me to respond to? If you can put it in one sentence (or one paragraph if it’s complicated) that might help.

I’m glad we’ve as a group debunked the myth that immigrants are coming here to take advantage of our welfare system.

Apologies Oracle if you weren’t arguing this. I think there were a few on here who were.

I see little point in continuing this.

But in answer - The problem is - I never said it or even hinted at it Noel. And I am not aware I used the word benefit once. There are too many straw men mischaracterizations. In this case you seemingly assumed I held a stereotypical view. Consequence on benefits is a small minority view amongst brexiteers. But then in my observance a large proportion of remainers have a rose tinted ill informed view of EU, so problems in both camps.

On other issues, I actually challenged you:

I have argued the difference between asian and EU immigrants is controllability and observability. Asian migrants must apply, so we know how many. I do not accept your lemma that the size of the asian migrancy is such is makes the EU migrancy irrelevant, because the two are differnet in character. Because of free movement we have little idea how big EU numbers are and have no control whatsoever over them. That is not good with finite accomodation.

I also see inter EU migrancy as a consequence of EU and euro dysfunction. We should not accept the symptom, EU should effect the cure.By accepting EU migrants we are damaging the states they come from.

I have not said it here, another problem is "sending money home" which is a drain on our economy, much as those who earn a pension here, but spend it in costa del sol also cause a problem. And so on. The problem with EU, is there is not a balanced exchange of migration and it is hurting both states losing and gaining population.

I only entered these threads to counter main misconceptions about the EU by using hard economic data. The biggest amongst them , is that EU single market and customs union are somehow necessary for growth. History proves the opposite. EU is opposed to free markets. And we do not need to be in EU to trade with it. Also that the EU is somehow a stable cooperative of nations. It isnt, it is run by a few states to the detriment of most because of the Euro, which is a fatal flaw that will cause implosion. On that I suspect remainers are in for a shock. Target 2 balances show how it is on its last legs.


But I have made the points Noel. Little point in continuing.
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