Brexit

[Oracle]

Noel and Graham, seem to quite enjoy working Oracle, etc. into a frenzy, I am bored by it. Is the EU a perfect organisation, not even close, is the Euro a perfect currency, not even close. So with the problems with each it is so easy to concentrate on all of the bad aspects to reinforce your opinions. Even experts disagree on the merits of these endeavors, so what chance do a few anonymous cowards on social media have?

All I can say is I listen to/read Irish media a lot and I never hear anything there about how the Euro and EU have been a absolute disaster for the country.

My posts are informative. Not emotive. Unless you had not noticed we are not actually in the euro!!! Which could be why it hasnt caused us problems, despite the same project fear before that decision. Ireland is about to get a dose of reality when EU tears up its tax rates and deals with such as apple. Then let us see how it gets on.

And the growth of the EU and eurozone economies has not kept pace with the other advanced economies. It is a protection zone. So the evidence is there in growth it does not help: all you have to do is look.

I notice you quoting remainer media. So now you try and list benefits instead.
Cameron and Osbourne lamentably failed. How do you get on with it?

You cannot use...
-Euro. Currency unions always have been a disaster.
-Trade. We can trade anyway. EU cannot keep china out or us. We could do a free trade deal. EU wont negotiate it. Dead loss they are.
-Holidays Abroad. They still want our money spent in their countries and if they get arsy we go elsewhere..
-Agriculture. The EU policy is a well known disaster that props up french inefficiency. And funds such as Heseltine to own land.
-Academic or institution cooperation, we do international cooperation and projects anyway. Dont need EU, just goodwill.
-Academic excellence. The EU is certainly not.
-Transparency. EU is not.
-Value for money. EU wastes it hand over fist. Remember strasbourg?
-Democracy. It is not a democracy. Laws do not start with elected persona and the parliament is essentially impotent. A joke. Even Juncker said so.
-Decision making. Far too many cooks and you dont have any broth. It doesnt take 7 years to negotiate trade deals. EU takes it because it is far too labyrinthine and slow with too many opposing voices. that is why it takes seven years.
- Deals. So many involved they become the lowest common denominator, not the highest.
- Laws. One size does not fit all.


So what BENEFITS are there? The "good aspects" you claim, I am waiting. You never have contested a single point I made successfully. I am genuinely interested in what you think the benefits are of being in the EU?