Brexit

[Graham Breeze]

Yes, I think Boris is driven by the desire to be Prime Minister. Other things like Brexit, Northern Ireland and the trivialities of details seem a lot less important to him.

His Head Master at Eton said Boris felt entitled, didn't bother with detail and was lazy. He has not changed.

His hero is Churchill. Another man who did not let details get in the way of personal aggrandisement and winning at the cost of the lives of others.

Getting things done is about compromise and flexibilty and realpolitik. If you are a naïve idealist then grow a beard, stop washing and chain yourself to a tree. If you live in the real world - get the deal done.

When you deal with the unscrupulous, the ambitious, those that can't be trusted - better that they are on your side. If you believe in truth and purity and life everlasting - get thee to a nunnery.

I would not trust Boris to pay for his own coffee - but he might well win the next election for the Conservative Party.

[Muddy Retriever]

Before Boris was chosen as PM he was accused of being dishonest and lax I.e. wasn't good at grasping the details of an issue. Firstly he was torn between Remain and Leave. Secondly he said May's deal wasn't a proper Brexit then voted for it. Then he said he'd never put a border in the Irish sea and he's about to. Then he told us we'd be leaving on the 31st of October when he knew the Remain losers were in control of parliament. And only yesterday Farage on Andrew Marr's show said Boris didn't understand what his EU treaty meant. Watch here.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...-show-03112019

All in all not very confidence inspiring for true Leavers.

On the contrary it is Farage that doesn't understand what Boris' deal means. Personally I think he's lost the plot. His opposition to it is more to do with his bruised ego rather than any legitimate criticism of the deal.

[Graham Breeze]

On the contrary it is Farage that doesn't understand what Boris' deal means. Personally I think he's lost the plot. His opposition to it is more to do with his bruised ego rather than any legitimate criticism of the deal.

I think Boris should make Nigel a life peer, tell him he has done a good job but that now is the time for him to go off to pontificate in the House Of Lords where nobody need take any notice of him.

[Muddy Retriever]

I think Boris should make Nigel a life peer, tell him he has done a good job but that now is the time for him to go off to pontificate in the House Of Lords where nobody need take any notice of him.

According to Farage they’ve tried offering him that already.

[Graham Breeze]

According to Farage they’ve tried offering him that already.

Perhaps he is holding out for a Dukedom? Everybody has their price. After all:


Farage began his career in 1982 as a commodities trader at the London Metal Exchange and ran his own metals brokerage firm after working at Credit Lyonnais Rouse and Drexel Burnham Lambert.

[Dave_Mole]

Farage began his career in 1982 as a commodities trader at the London Metal Exchange and ran his own metals brokerage firm after working at Credit Lyonnais Rouse and Drexel Burnham Lambert.

Nigel Furridge: Very Metal

[TheGrump]

It looks as though Farage may run away with the new awards ceremony category of 'Outstanding Effluent Mixer by a Person of no Consequence'.

[CL]

[QUOTE=Muddy Retriever;655870]On the contrary it is Farage that doesn't understand what Boris' deal means. Personally I think he's lost the plot. His opposition to it is more to do with his bruised ego rather than any legitimate criticism of the deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks0sYed-N-w

[CL]

I wonder how long it'll be before Muddy tells us a vote for The Brexit party will put the Labour party in power? Actually the other way around works just as well: a vote for the Conservative party - instead of the Brexit party - is potentially a vote for Labour.

The Conservatives have no moral superiority over the The Brexit Party to be deserving of government. If anything The Brexit Party is the only party now standing up for Brexiteers. And this new treaty is just the Conservative party sticking together whilst they hoodwink the Leave voters. Think about it. The Conservatives are a mixture of leave and remain. How is Boris going to get the support of Tory Remainers? By Graham's analogy of course: compromise. Which can mean only one thing...... Remain.

I didn't vote leave to compromise. And the Remainers certainly didn't vote Remain to compromise. It was an in out referendum. Boris is selling us out to satisfy his party and reach out to Remainers. But the Remainers were never going to reach out to us.

[CL]

I also see people desperate for one of the main parties to win the next election belittling Nigel Farage. Trying to make out he's lost the plot or ridiculing him in some other way. After all if he's as mad as a hatter who would listen to him.

It might work on the ignorant (and by the way we're all ignorant to some degree) which is why they do it, but over the next four weeks we're going to see Farage explain in his customary straight talking way, why this is a bad deal.

Farage has already been on TV over the past days and his arguments don't sound like a Man who's lost the plot. Not like Muddy would have you believe.