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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T View Post
    Covid has barely started in Africa/India/Pakistan - the numbers will rise exponentially soon enough, unfortunately. Being clean - or not - is almost certainly irrelevant. It does not help them when it comes to TB, Malaria, HIV, pneumonia, diarrhoea ...
    A lot of what the UK should have done has nothing to do with the wisdom of hindsight - other countries were showing the way, but "We" knew better.
    It is my understanding that over 60 NHS and Social Care workers have died so far, hardly a trivial number, given that they are of working age with good access to health care. And this is only the beginning. Ebola, whilst much more fatal - roughly 50% - is much harder to catch. If, when caring for Ebola patients, you catch it, you made a mistake with your PPE, or were extremely unlucky. This does not apply to Covid 19 - it is much more infectious, and unlike Ebola, it is infectious before symptoms develop, and sometimes in the absence of any symptoms. So that chap who came off his motorbike and broke his leg could be carrying it, thus exposing NHS staff who are not necessarily fully PPE protected.
    Meanwhile I look down the list of nhs worker deaths and see many over 60, some 70 even 80.
    I look forward to seeing a stat that puts them massively at greater risk.
    At present there is scant evidence.
    If the risk to working age is only a quarter , the numbers still aren’t huge.
    The BAME link is certainly concerning.

    The reality is Boris followed medical advice. The fact that doctors cannot agree and some of the medical predictions were ludicrous does not give all doctors license for hindsight they all now presume. Get your own house in order.

    As for ppe , I know the guy fighting a daily battle to procure it ever since FEBRUARY
    Read that again, February, The fact you don’t know it is going on,does not give you right to criticise. Those doing the job are seriously p!ssed off with ill informed criticism like yours.

    And as for globalisation, that is where all our PPE comes from, including places we would not nor,ally want to trade with. Thank goodness we don’t rely on EU.

    Europe let us down,France cancelled our biggest order despite we were their best customer, and despite being first in the queue!! it is a free for all . So take the EU rose tinted glasses off. EU is demonstrably useless. Ask the Italians.

    I also hear all this cr@p about testing. The reality is unvalidated tests are worse than none at all. The best are only 80 percent.

    These drugs and products you take for granted take a long time and money to validate. The reason people think you can catch it again, for the present could easily be a false positive first time round. Also where do you get a validated population? Since it can be assymptomatic, you cannot have confidence in the test set, you cannot have confidence in a test.

    And if the test is only 70 percent, it is little use for control.
    Belgium tests per capita same as Germany. How did it help them?

    Everything is easy for those who don’t have to do it.
    How I hate these armchair critics.
    Last edited by Oracle; 19-04-2020 at 07:09 PM.

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