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    Former government adviser Prof Neil Ferguson will not face police action after he accepted making an "error of judgment" by breaching social distancing rules.

    Where is his £60 fine like everyone else.

    Disappointed!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witton Park View Post
    Yes I would.
    Despite the fact it is a 1 in 100 year problem not of their making?
    You disappoint me.
    Entrepreneurs should stick together.

    If I were the airlines I wouldn’t take this lying down.

    The government is frustrating it’s own law of refunds by wilfully destroying the income of airlines.
    This needs taking to judicial review.
    Force the government to fund the refunds.

    Mind you , it is typical government.
    Brown trashing pension funds by trashing economic return and dividend theft, then demanding companies make up the difference in pension loss. They even made the public believe the companies were the bad guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T View Post
    Same here. Flying should be, at the most, a once a decade thing, not "what shall we do this weekend?" Lots of money could be wasted on saving airlines - lets spend it on sorting out jobs for those who would lose them.
    Surprise surprise.
    Far too self centred world view,
    The man who stands to lose nothing , voting for others to lose money.
    The man who stands to pay for none of it, voting to spend other people’s money.
    The man who never created a job in his life, voting for others to create jobs.
    The man who decides he has no reason to travel, decides nobody else Should either.

    Why would they create those jobs mike?
    Take it from someone whose created hundreds of jobs in several different enterprises. It costs too much money and effort to gamble it on the current U.K. attitude.

    The government , the opposition and worst of all bleeding heart liberals , have proven none of them are competent or sensible e ough to keep a sensible playing field for enterprise to flourish. All seem far too happy to trash enterprise.

    I can set up a business anywhere in the world.
    I certainly wont start another one that employs in the U.K. the public attitude is wrong. So with the present lack of help / discouragement for entrepreneurs, and the lack of any effort in public sector to cut costs, entrepreneurs will sit on their hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    You disappoint me.
    Entrepreneurs should stick together.
    I agree. Tell that to Ryanair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    Surprise surprise.
    Far too self centred world view,
    The man who stands to lose nothing , voting for others to lose money.
    The man who stands to pay for none of it, voting to spend other people’s money.
    The man who never created a job in his life, voting for others to create jobs.
    The man who decides he has no reason to travel, decides nobody else Should either.

    Why would they create those jobs mike?
    Take it from someone whose created hundreds of jobs in several different enterprises. It costs too much money and effort to gamble it on the current U.K. attitude.

    The government , the opposition and worst of all bleeding heart liberals , have proven none of them are competent or sensible e ough to keep a sensible playing field for enterprise to flourish. All seem far too happy to trash enterprise.

    I can set up a business anywhere in the world.
    I certainly wont start another one that employs in the U.K. the public attitude is wrong. So with the present lack of help / discouragement for entrepreneurs, and the lack of any effort in public sector to cut costs, entrepreneurs will sit on their hands.
    Attack the argument, not the man?
    I am allowed to have a different opinion.
    Given the huge carbon footprint of flying, when it comes to the individual, it is between them and their conscience as to whether they fly and how often, but the planet would prefer they didn't.
    The NHS saves lives/treats people's ill health - for free at the point of delivery - so that those people can create jobs. Money not spent on flights will be spent elsewhere, helping the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T View Post
    Attack the argument, not the man?
    I am allowed to have a different opinion.
    Given the huge carbon footprint of flying, when it comes to the individual, it is between them and their conscience as to whether they fly and how often, but the planet would prefer they didn't.
    The NHS saves lives/treats people's ill health - for free at the point of delivery - so that those people can create jobs. Money not spent on flights will be spent elsewhere, helping the process.
    My opinion of the NHS is that it is a state run private health scheme. It could be run as many mutual, or it could be run as a private operation.
    For quite a few years now I have sensed a unhealthy cult mentality building up around it and that has been amplified during the current situation.
    I don't get the warm fuzzy feeling that many do, despite having many friends and family working for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stagger View Post
    Former government adviser Prof Neil Ferguson will not face police action after he accepted making an "error of judgment" by breaching social distancing rules.

    Where is his £60 fine like everyone else.

    Disappointed!!!
    I understand your sentiments but objectively if anyone was going to be fined shouldn't it be the woman who went to his house?
    I agree his actions were hypocritical to say the least and I suppose he should have turned her away at the door - but I don't think he personally has actually broken the law. I'm not defending him, just trying to be objective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark G View Post
    I understand your sentiments but objectively if anyone was going to be fined shouldn't it be the woman who went to his house?
    I agree his actions were hypocritical to say the least and I suppose he should have turned her away at the door - but I don't think he personally has actually broken the law. I'm not defending him, just trying to be objective.
    I suspect they didn't comply with the two metre rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark G View Post
    but I don't think he personally has actually broken the law.
    and I don't think the majority of those issued with fines have. They have been fined for ignoring guidelines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T View Post
    Attack the argument, not the man?
    I am allowed to have a different opinion.
    Given the huge carbon footprint of flying, when it comes to the individual, it is between them and their conscience as to whether they fly and how often, but the planet would prefer they didn't.
    The NHS saves lives/treats people's ill health - for free at the point of delivery - so that those people can create jobs. Money not spent on flights will be spent elsewhere, helping the process.

    Attack incoming...!

    Whilst it is very noble to have genuine concern for the environment, i personally think the world as it is now has gone too far past the point of no return, and we are now in the hands of technology to clean up the planet. I don't think we can put the worldwide flying/travel culture back in it's box.

    We can all say we are only going to holiday abroad only once a decade, but it's really a drop in the ocean compared to worldwide commuting by air, scheduled air services, etc.

    I liken it in some ways to the argument (which i recently had on facebook) that fellrunners should only do local races to ease their carbon footprint... another noble idea, but a couple of hundred fellrunners driving round the UK doesn't even touch the surface of tens and tens of thousands of tourists heading into London every day, let alone on weekends.

    Should we put a stop to European football competition? Test cricket? Olympic games? Formula One? Or is it only us plebs who are not allowed the privilege of earning a living then visiting foreign shores...?

    What about the next generation... my two nephews for example... as a family we do everything we can to give my nephew hopes and dreams and an imagination, i couldn't bear to see him become another "ipad drone" like many kids are even at his young age...

    I remember seeing his face when he first saw a waterfall (Stock Ghyll Force just round the corner from you!) and using a lttle map to walk around Rydal Water. I love to teach him how to say "hello" in French, Italian, Chinese, "Australian" (g'day mate), etc... In his last video call to us, he ran out on us because he wanted to get his World Atlas out and read about the animals that live at the North and South Pole...

    Should we crush the dreams of young children like that, and say sorry matey, you're not allowed to visit these places, and you'll only ever experience the world through your Ipad, PC, TV screens.

    Can't help thinking that the cat is out of the bag in regards to world travel and the solution won't/can't come from trying to stop it.

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