Did you not see Priti unable to read out a number? And either pretending she had got it right, or not realising she had it totally wrong. I am not saying Abbott is any better, though she may have had a low blood glucose at the time, we cannot be sure.Originally Posted by Oracle
Totally different from getting estimates wrong.
Last edited by Mike T; 12-05-2020 at 10:50 AM.
I think there will be lots of day trippers - a big change in terms of numbers in the towns and villages. The infection rate will be pushed up, especially in areas that have done well so far. And in areas that have a current high infection rate, like South Cumbria, they will take it home with them.
In my village, a population of 220, I just about know all of them with many being very good friends. I also do some gardening work for some and have been able to continue to do so as I am working alone.
However on speaking to many, the attitude to non residents visiting the village ranges from couldn't give a monkeys to almost paranoia.
Comments like "their not local" or "look at that lot,no way are they from the same household" are made about people walking through the village.
There are many people walking through the village that we do not usually see but I recognise a large proportion as being from Bakewell which is less than 2 miles away, who in normal times would not choose to walk uphill to Over Haddon, so I would class them as local.
The funny thing is, is that the villager's, all decent people, who complain about visitors are more than happy to have the postman deliver their mail, the milkman, the fish monger from Buxton, DPD, Parcelforce etc originating from Nottingham and Derby delivering parcels, and Tesco,Waitrose and Morrisons from Chesterfield and Sheffield their food, and me in their gardens!
Far more scope for virus transmission from these I would suggest than a few people walking down the road or through Lathkill Dale.
Very strange times bring out very strange attitudes.
I think we just need to relax a bit more and, unless people are doing really stupid things, live and let live.
Visibility good except in Hill Fog
Indeed, he had no need.
To be fair, Richard Burgon makes Diane Abbott look like a brain surgeon. Of all the Labour half-wits of the Corbyn era, Burgon has to be the stupidest. And there is some stiff competition for the title.
There are plenty of brain dead examples to chose from but my personal favourite is when Kay Burley interviews him just before the election. "The polls say you can't win" she says. "The polls said we wouldn't win last time" Burgon responds triumphantly. "You didn't" Burley reminds him.
Last edited by Muddy Retriever; 12-05-2020 at 12:13 PM.
You not only get the wrong expert, but you were nowhere near accurate.
You failed to mention the 5 weeks.
Your 50,000 deaths is back of fag-packet and now you go even further suggesting the 50k is out of date - despite that fact that at the current trajectory, you'd need a TARDIS to get there!
I was out in the Far East working during SARS. A very similar lurgy. It just disappeared. MERS, Avian Flu...
There's every chance that the virus will disappear naturally, perhaps to pop up again in the future in it's current form, or maybe a variant.
Oracle probably knows more on this, or can correct me if I get anything wrong, but there were vaccinations developed and taken through the early stages of testing for both SARS and MERS. But they did not proceed because the funding required to progress was not forthcoming as the threat went away.
I believe the Oxford project now being supported by Govt was actually a MERS vaccination that has been piggy-backed, as much of the early development work is similar.
I can't see lack of funding being a problem now and I also expect that all Governments will be making sure they don't come a cropper going forward - hence no doubt the very cautious unlocking of the UK economy.
So to just counter your doomsday prediction here's mine.
We might get a slight kick up in a few weeks, but a minor one. We'll probably get an additional admin created hit that I'll call "TICs"; if they have 30,000 a few more won't cause any additional umbrage.
So we'll have a final figure for the UK in the 40-50k zone by the end of the year but hopefully, the virus will go away naturally and the figure will be at the lower end, and maybe stay in the 30s.
Richard Taylor
"William Tell could take an apple off your head. Taylor could take out a processed pea."
Sid Waddell
As a fatalist I figure that none of the above will be of any relevance and what will be will be and on that basis it makes more sense to just relax, get on with life and make the most of what we have.
By the way could fastpacking be regarded as a sport?
Last edited by JohnK; 12-05-2020 at 12:26 PM.
For those interested in hearing the real facts, incisive interpretations of BJ's statement, and accurate predictions of outcomes from the best experts available, look no further than the Jeremy Vine program on Radio 2. Far better than all the sources quoted on this thread.
Some points i have noticed in the past 24 hours... in no particular order, and i have no agenda (other than hoping to get back to fellrunning as soon as is possible):
- a lot more people walking around the streets now, and local parks etc, than there ever was before the outbreak. Are people just desperate to get out of the house any way they can, or are people genuinely going to think about their health more.
- i see a lot of people walking round the city in face-masks, who (and i'll try to say this as diplomatically as possible) appear to have never previously considered their health (or diet) at any point in the last couple of decades.
- I notice that Yorkshire Dales are looking to open up carparks soon, but advise people to be cautious and safe.
- Despite the Cumbria/Lake District initial hostility towards potential visitors, the official line now seems to be more of an acceptance that people will come, but "please be careful if you do"
- A lot of arguments from the Cumbrian point of view about staying off the fells due to the risk to Mountain Rescue... but we know from posts on here (and i'm certainly not pointing fingers as i'd be on the fells if i lived there) that locals are up on the fells daily.
- Such a range of views... i've been in contact two of my regular b&b's within ten miles of each other... the first seem like they cannot wait to have people back... the second seem far more cautious and referred back to a lot of standard lines re picking up the virus from stiles/gates/outsiders/etc.
I'm not going to the Lakes anytime soon (its not a day trip for me anyway) but I am contemplating a day out in Shropshire Hills in the not too distant future. Though after 2 months of road running, I will be glad to be running anywhere off road so the hills of North Worcestershire will do just fine for now. It will be interesting to see what the response from locals will be in Lakes - those I am in touch with are dead against it not only because of the spread of the virus but because a lot of local infrastructure is either shut or unavailable. I guess the councils wont have much choice but to open up car parks, public toilets etc. currently closed to deter tourists.
Nor me and I live in Cumbria
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