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[Dave_Mole]

Meanwhile even though he withdrew the US from the Paris agreement, the US has continued to reduce CO2 emissions faster than the EU.

WRONG!
Fossil CO2 emissions of the EU Member States and the UK fell by 3.8% in 2019, in the US by 2.6%

the imbalance in trade arrangements between EU and US

which was misguided and there's a wider trade deficit now than when he took office.

the first Western leader to do that.

are you plagarising your friend Nigel Furridge?
"Brexit Party Leader Nigel Farage says the free world needs Trump to win the election because he is the only Western leader with the moral courage to stand up to BLM, ANTIFA and the threat which is the Chinese Communist Party".

put up with his behaviour.

seems pretty acceptable

[Witton Park]

Haha there’s a surprise

and your point is? Do you have one?

Like most I don't like Trump.

I've listened to 4 years of lefties moaning about how he cheated his way in to the Whitehouse and where's the evidence?
He spends 4 days pointing the finger at the democrats and we get the "how dare you...."

The courts might sort it out.

[Fellbeast]

I've listened to 4 years of lefties moaning....

By “lefties” do you mean anybody that’s not raving loony far right?

In any event I don’t moan . I just pick you up on your moaning when it’s wrong moaning

[Dave_Mole]

He spends 4 days pointing the finger at the democrats and we get the "how dare you...."

Don't be silly.

He spent four days moaning about how unfair it was that he was going to lose an election. He tweeted that he won BY A LOT, despite losing by 5 million votes and 56 electoral college seats. His lawsuits have already been thrown out of court.

[Witton Park]

By “lefties” do you mean anybody that’s not raving loony far right?
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I mean lots of democrats over in the US, particularly the extreme end which they now seem to have quite a number of and lots of particularly the far left Labour here.

The likes of Burgon, Butler... get far more agitated than say Stephen Kinnock or Hilary Benn, who like most of us aren't fans of Trump but they don't seem to require a right wing political hate figure to stick their pins in to on a daily basis.

I'm not sure either of those caps are yours, but I could be wrong. I was once in 1985

[molehill]

I think most Brits (or those that make themselves heard) wonder why on earth Americans ever voted Trump in power and very nearly did it for a second term. But it is their country and clearly a lot of them give him the thumbs up even after 4 years, he has a big following even now - so not a disaster all round.

I think Americans would view us the same if we had put Jerremy Corbyn in power (and nearly re-elected him ), they would be thinking "Are the Brits nuts"?

[Mossdog]

I think most Brits (or those that make themselves heard) wonder why on earth Americans ever voted Trump in power and very nearly did it for a second term. But it is their country and clearly a lot of them give him the thumbs up even after 4 years, he has a big following even now - so not a disaster all round.

I think Americans would view us the same if we had put Jerremy Corbyn in power (and nearly re-elected him ), they would be thinking "Are the Brits nuts"?

Yes, it's sad that so many Americans felt they had to vote for Trump, but saw this as their only real option if they feared what the Democrats have come to represent. Rather like Labour in this country, the Democrats no longer represent the interests of 'ordinary working people'. Rather, like Labour the cancel culture, cosmopolitan 'liberals' show contempt for ordinary folk and rather represent a toxic identity politics grievance-wielders, (BLM, LGBTWTF, radical femisinism, etc. etc.).

I've traditionally always voted Labour, but at the last General Election, in the weeks leading up to it, I was 'accosted' by some Labour party canvassers in Alston. Having discussed various policies with them and shared my concerns, I asked them a simply question "are you proud to be British? I am". They almost choked in their contortions to avoid contradicting me and were still obfuscating as I walked away, feeling sad that a great party has descending into such a mess. Whatever Boris does, and I think the guy's a lying toe-wrag too, he'll still get a lot of northern votes (in England) while the likes of Starmer, 'take the knee'' and promote a divisive, negative view of our culture, history and society. Very sad

[Fellbeast]

I think most Brits (or those that make themselves heard) wonder why on earth Americans ever voted Trump in power and very nearly did it for a second term. But it is their country and clearly a lot of them give him the thumbs up even after 4 years, he has a big following even now - so not a disaster all round.

I think Americans would view us the same if we had put Jerremy Corbyn in power (and nearly re-elected him ), they would be thinking "Are the Brits nuts"?

To be fair Jeremy Corbyn, just like Bernie Saunders in the US, was unelectable. And Boris ultimately won just because of that (and that Lib Dem leader lady with the screechy voice). Ironically Americans are now though looking at the U.K. and Boris and are thinking: “Are the Brits nuts?” 😊

[Graham Breeze]

[QUOTE=molehill;669191]I think most Brits (or those that make themselves heard) wonder why on earth Americans ever voted Trump in power and very nearly did it for a second term. But it is their country and clearly a lot of them give him the thumbs up even after 4 years, he has a big following even now - so not a disaster all round.

/QUOTE]

As I've said I've been to the USA at least a dozen times and I was booked to go again this year. My best friend from University and now my longest standing living friend and his wife are now American citizens. Last time I stayed at his home he pulled his gun out of the coffee table drawer and asked me if I wanted to handle it!!

Americans are fascinating people but they elected Trump for two reasons:

He was not the loathed Mrs Clinton, rich, educated, entitled, patronising, "liberal", elitist,...

He said he would bring jobs back to the "rust belt" - and he did.

I've been to Detroit and the rust belt states (actually over 30 States). I get entirely why Trump was elected and but for Covid and the economic downturn he would probably have been elected again.

Clinton won on "it's the economy, stupid".

And it still is.

[Fellbeast]

Rather like Labour in this country, the Democrats no longer represent the interests of 'ordinary working people'. Rather, like Labour the cancel culture, cosmopolitan 'liberals' show contempt for ordinary folk....(

Under the first past the post system in the U.K. (and the electoral college in the US) no party can just represent working class people and expect to win an election. Working class in both places is also split racially which often means that being say representative of immigrants rights might make you less appealing to working class people who resent immigrants.

The name of the game is proportional representation, where a government has to be formed most often on compromise and respecting alternative points of view. That’s the answer going forward and you might argue that voting for Keir Starmer next time round might afford a slight chance of getting that