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    Quote Originally Posted by Fellbeast View Post
    Anyway you'll be glad to know that I think I'm out and waiting for the revamp
    Thank you for providing us with some of the very best content ever seen on the forum.

    Can't say I have always agreed with you on everything, but on occasions you've provided good comment and I wish you well

    Can't say that I'm that surprised, and I'm only staying to defend the down-trodden from oppression

    Could be here some time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charmian View Post
    The scenario you relate does not refer to a lack of inclusion relative to the sport of fell running but rather a cultural problem over which we have no control. That young woman would be better advised to join a local club to get real support and not to join the Forum but remain as a non-posting viewer.
    Thank you for your answer; it has almost as many holes in it as the your idea, (which has been discussed on here for at least 10 years), that you are trying to bludgeon through, regardless of the opposition, legal considerations and how many members you will lose.

    I am deeply concerned that the FRA is saying that people from certain cultures and religions should not join the forum. Is this legal? I doubt it under race discrimination laws. Prospective members will view what you said as racist, and whilst that probably wasn't what you meant your ill-considered reply has set us back years

    Before I started racing, I read every single post on every single thread of this forum. I am sure that there will be some people doing something similar. Reading a large number of a person's post reveal a lot about their character. If any prospective members have read your post they are probably thinking 'Maybe not' about joining now

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    Quote Originally Posted by molehill View Post
    I've held back from this as I run little now and never race, but my 2 pennyworth is as follows.
    I think the forum does need updating, easier to post photos would be one thing.
    I am slightly against the addition of like/dislike buttons, they are great for the ego when a post is smothered with "likes" but it can also work against a forumite. If someone is a little outspoken or makes themselves unpopular they will be hit with dislikes on every post (virtual stalkers take this to extremes). This could almost be classified as forum bullying and can certainly hinder open debates on controversial matters with some not bothering to post or dropping out - preferable to being seen to be unpopular.
    The buttons are a mix of good and bad, but for me the bad can slightly outweigh the good so I would not have them.
    Simple solution - no dislike button.
    Positivity!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak View Post
    Marco I see your point how would you suggest we proceed. would you like to send a suggestion to the committee.
    Good to see you back again Ian. As I see it, and I really think it needs discussing properly, Travs probably offered the best view with what he said a day or two back (below).

    Quote Originally Posted by Travs View Post
    Also wouldn't have an objection to people being "politely encouraged" to have clear details of who they are, without it being compulsory.
    The point I am trying to make, but am not getting through to Charmian, is that there will always be cases where what she is proposing won't work. It is not a one-fit glove, so such an approach will always fail. I think a sentence along the lines of, "whilst we appreciate that some members are not able to, or may not wish to, supply their names or a photo, if you could it would help keep the forum a friendly area and we would appreciate it if you did" on the joining form would be the way to go

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Good to see you back again Ian. As I see it, and I really think it needs discussing properly, Travs probably offered the best view with what he said a day or two back (below).



    The point I am trying to make, but am not getting through to Charmian, is that there will always be cases where what she is proposing won't work. It is not a one-fit glove, so such an approach will always fail. I think a sentence along the lines of, "whilst we appreciate that some members are not able to, or may not wish to, supply their names or a photo, if you could it would help keep the forum a friendly area and we would appreciate it if you did" on the joining form would be the way to go

    The method in bold below seems to work pretty well:-
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnK View Post
    I admit I have never felt any need to look at facebook mainly because I have never enjoyed wasting time trawling through dross before finding what I am looking for and that is how this forum used to be and when I first joined the forum I could quickly find what I was looking for and if not I was confident that if I asked a question then a quick friendly response would be forthcoming.

    However I feel that the forum is no longer like that when a newcomer novice fellrunner first opens the forum they are confronted with a bewildering menu that to a novice with quetions to ask the menu offers no starting point just the oppurtunity to randomly click on threads that may offer some answers but more likely than not wil intimidate and confuse them.

    As has been said the whole forum requires a shake up and made more welcoming with a much less busy opening menu, so that novice users can feel their way around without trawling through threads they find confusing or intimidating.

    Another specialist subject forum I subscribe to achieves this by having a a two tier membership system i.e. a novice registers on the forum and then when they decide they like it then they apply for full membership whereby they are sent an online membership form on which they record their details and then when the form has been processed they are given full membership and a membership number (which is displayed on the thread with their forum name etc therefore if need be the forum administrators should know the true identity of the member even if they are using a pseudonym on the forum). and gain access to the members only section of the forum where there is an even greater centre of knowledge and experience + members discounts for goods from various suppliers of products of interest to the members.

    Plus one on no politics or relgion, I really see no point in like buttons etc much nicer and more friendly if you like something to just say thanks.

    On the subject of photographs I think a link to photographs would be preferable to cluttering threads up with pictures that may or may not be of interest.
    Last edited by JohnK; 04-11-2021 at 09:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteS View Post
    Simple solution - no dislike button.
    Positivity!
    I like that idea, then we could have a chart of how many "likes" you receive and gain access to the Masters lounge - or even the Grandmasters lounge. No mass posting drivel, we have to be liked to gain entrance .

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    There are of course the obvious issues around processing personal data that everyone seems to have missed which may place an added burden on the FRA but I would also advocate the the approach that JohnK suggested which provides the anonymity that some desire whilst maintaining accountability. This would seem a good standard to adopt but I would suggest also allowing users to display personal identification if they wished. You can't really mandate that without enforcing a member only forum and I don't think that is the aim of the FRA from what Charmian previously posted.

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    Times have changed since the first Forum.

    I now think:

    1. A Forum should be a robust, vibrant and useful aspect of the FRA, given improved functionality. It should not be beyond the wit of fellrunners to make one work, if they so wish.

    2. It is unacceptable that the Forum Master (on behalf of the FRA) does not know the identity of every contributor. The FRA is a Governing Body and not some sleazy private laddish club. People who go to great lengths to hide themselves are not pure of heart.

    3. Every poster should be readily identifiable to all viewers except where they make a special plea to the Forum Master that is accepted. That bar should be set high.

    4. Only FRA members should be allowed to post. Let facebook be the home for uninformed dross.

    5. The lauded Forum "valuable historical data" is rather like motherhood and apple pie but if it is truly valued it is not because of like/dislike "buttons, bells and whistles" and they should have no place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Breeze View Post
    Times have changed since the first Forum.

    I now think:

    1. A Forum should be a robust, vibrant and useful aspect of the FRA, given improved functionality. It should not be beyond the wit of fellrunners to make one work, if they so wish.

    2. It is unacceptable that the Forum Master (on behalf of the FRA) does not know the identity of every contributor. The FRA is a Governing Body and not some sleazy private laddish club. People who go to great lengths to hide themselves are not pure of heart.

    3. Every poster should be readily identifiable to all viewers except where they make a special plea to the Forum Master that is accepted. That bar should be set high.

    4. Only FRA members should be allowed to post. Let facebook be the home for uninformed dross.

    5. The lauded Forum "valuable historical data" is rather like motherhood and apple pie but if it is truly valued it is not because of like/dislike "buttons, bells and whistles" and they should have no place.
    I agree with all your points except number 3. People should have to submit their real name to the Forum Master when they join the Forum, but the name should be treated as personal data, with the usual GDPR protections. The rest of us don't need to know the identities of everyone on the Forum.

    Where the bar should be set high is in not tolerating abuse, or behaviour likely to deter other people from posting on the Forum. For example, I think it was write to ban Oracle, who seemed incapable of making any political point without going into a rant, and definitely soured the atmosphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonykay View Post
    I agree with all your points except number 3. People should have to submit their real name to the Forum Master when they join the Forum, but the name should be treated as personal data, with the usual GDPR protections. The rest of us don't need to know the identities of everyone on the Forum.

    Where the bar should be set high is in not tolerating abuse, or behaviour likely to deter other people from posting on the Forum. For example, I think it was write to ban Oracle, who seemed incapable of making any political point without going into a rant, and definitely soured the atmosphere.
    Careful Anthony or you'll be accused of 'logic-signaling'

    Well said.
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