Decline the jab

[Witton Park]

Hardly comparable, you can't catch HIV just by being in the same room, there is no social stigma attached to having Covid and having the vaccine is largely for the protection of others.

So maybe not mandatory vaccination (except for health workers) but restrictions on what you can do if not vaccinated.

We now know you can't catch HIV, you could even argue we knew at the start, but recall the hysteria. We were all at risk and they were treated like lepers.
Because if you stoke up the population unnecessarily, they will behave irrationally through anxiety and fear.

[Witton Park]

[QUOTE=Llani Boy;677100]

Despite my longevity on here I haven't yet managed to do a multiple quote grab, so I'll pick Llani's as an example of a few that seem to seek to mandate vaccination.

You have picked a wrong example WP.

I have not suggested mandatory vaccination but am of the same opinion as Bigfella in that restrictions be put on those who choose not to be vaccinated.

"should put their foot down and not allow participation in professional sport unless proof of vaccination is provided."

That's about as closed to mandating a vaccine as you are going to get. Similar to the treatment of care workers and clinicians.

Your job and livelihood or your bodily autonomy. Hobson's choice.

[Wheeze]

As a doctor, I've had to accept mandatory vaccinations for all of my career. No jab, no work. Simples.

[Mossdog]

I too feel uneasy about mandatory health policies, albeit I understand the call to 'save the NHS' from a potential deluge of seriously ill people suffering from covid. But where might that stop? There seem to be some police-state like policies happening already around the world today.

Will it next be argued that given the epidemic of obesity the UK has suffered from over the last decade and more, which is reportedly costing the NHS billions£, will there be a call for mandtory diets for those with a BMI over 25, or whatever the BMI figure is? Of course obesity isn't physically contagious, but it could be argued that it's culturally contagious, if one's peers (family, friends, fellow workers, etc.)are fat.

Maybe we'll see weighing machines on street corners, at entrances to pubs and clubs, with 'speak-my-weight' seats on taxis, buses and trains!! We need to be carefully that mandatory health policies don't become the thin-end-of-the-wedge (no pun intended).

[Graham Breeze]

I too feel uneasy about mandatory health policies, albeit I understand the call to 'save the NHS' from a potential deluge of seriously ill people suffering from covid. But where might that stop? There seem to be some police-state like policies happening already around the world today.

Four of my immediate family work for the NHS and freely accept the need to be vaccinated so they don't kill people while earning their pay.

What would meet my definition of a "police-state like policy" is corralling all the anti-vaxxers together so they can have close, meaningful and sincere exchanges about freedom and after a couple of months those with anti-bodies that have survived could be asked to review their stance.

As for the opinions of the dead - that might be more problematical.

[Mossdog]

Four of my immediate family work for the NHS and freely accept the need to be vaccinated so they don't kill people while earning their pay.

What would meet my definition of a "police-state like policy" is corralling all the anti-vaxxers together so they can have close, meaningful and sincere exchanges about freedom and after a couple of months those with anti-bodies that have survived could be asked to review their stance.

As for the opinions of the dead - that might be more problematical.

Until recently I worked for the NHS for periods and my partner is a qualified Nurse, Midwife and Therapist. We're all vaccinated too, as are most of our (as far as I'm aware) NHS employed friends and acquaintances. So that's nice. Not sure what that proves though, as I, and others, were commenting more generally about UK wide mandatory vaccinations.

Just remember, 'the road to hell...' and all that.

[noel]

Four of my immediate family work for the NHS and freely accept the need to be vaccinated so they don't kill people while earning their pay.

What would meet my definition of a "police-state like policy" is corralling all the anti-vaxxers together so they can have close, meaningful and sincere exchanges about freedom and after a couple of months those with anti-bodies that have survived could be asked to review their stance.

As for the opinions of the dead - that might be more problematical.

Until recently I worked for the NHS for periods and my partner is a qualified Nurse, Midwife and Therapist. We're all vaccinated too, as are most of our (as far as I'm aware) NHS employed friends and acquaintances. So that's nice. Not sure what that proves though, as I, and others, were commenting more generally about UK wide mandatory vaccinations.

Just remember, 'the road to hell...' and all that.

There's a simpler way to do multi-quote. Just click the little quote marks in speech bubble that's to the right of the "reply with quote" button. If you do this for any posts you want to quote, you then click "reply with quote" on one of them, and it grabs any you've ticked. Give it a go.

[Graham Breeze]

Just remember, 'the road to hell...' and all that.

Ah. Then I must try extra hard to avoid doing good...

[Witton Park]

Four of my immediate family work for the NHS and freely accept the need to be vaccinated so they don't kill people while earning their pay.

What would meet my definition of a "police-state like policy" is corralling all the anti-vaxxers together so they can have close, meaningful and sincere exchanges about freedom and after a couple of months those with anti-bodies that have survived could be asked to review their stance.

As for the opinions of the dead - that might be more problematical.

Currently over 90% of the unvaccinated have anti-bodies. Naturally acquired immunity is up to 26 times more effective than the vaccines according to the most detailed research done in Israel.
NB.
That's not a suggestion that vaccination is to be avoided - for many it's still the best option.

Apparently as well, the ONS have ascertained that those with boosters appear up to 4.5 times more likely than unvaccinated to catch the Omicron variant.
Analysis was put out this week.
Looks like the Omicron might be on the rise because it has evolved to avoid the vaccine.
Time will tell.

[Witton Park]

As a doctor, I've had to accept mandatory vaccinations for all of my career. No jab, no work. Simples.

Any of them under EUA?