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[Witton Park]

Sinn Fein has finally become Northern Ireland's largest party. Why? Because Catholics have more children.

Starmer will let even more Muslims into the country and, as they tend to have more children, in 25 years time Britain will be a Muslim country.

You reap what you sow.

I won't give a toss though as I'll be dead!

Northern Ireland is complicated and I don't pretend to be up to speed, but if you look at the results
SF 210K
SDLP 87K
So the Republican side got 297K

DUP 172k
Alliance 117K
UU 95K
TUV 49K
So the Unionist side received 433K

I appreciate the Alliance might take some republican votes but it is a non-sectarian Unionist Party.

So I think it's just how the votes fell and also if the Unionist side consolidated to 2 parties instead of 4, one might see a couple more seats go to the Unionist side.

I disagree with you on the Muslims and population.

In the last decade the Muslim population has increased by around 50% from around 4% to around 6% and that is entirely down to immigration. Evidence does show that when migrant populations come in, their traditional higher replacement rates fall towards that of the general population and that has been demonstrated with Nigerian Africans as an example.
It seems to suggest that the work, tax and welfare system nudges the behaviour rather than culture.

That will most likely happen with Muslims, although of course we do have that issue to break down of integration.
We have more difficulty integrating the Muslim population and hence the enclaves of Gazastan we now have represented in the Commons.
Which is why many, including myself, believe we should put the brakes on immigration in order to allow those here to settle and services and infrastructure to catch up.

[Fellbeast]

Post Brexit, the need for care and nhs workers for example has grown massively, with hundreds of thousands of visas granted to overseas employees willing to do the work (many from India, Nigeria and South Africa). Yeah the conservatives massively not knowing what the heck they were doing and massively underfunding these services didn’t help but they had far more important jingoism and cronyism to be getting on with

[Witton Park]

Not at all bastards (Lab + Lib Dems + Greens) 53%

Complete and utter bastards (Tory + Reform) 38%

And if Reform want proportional representation, are they agreeing that a second referendum is required in less than 15 years since the last one? ������

False equivalence Brian.

A referendum on a direction of travel is not the same as a national general election and in the referendum, every vote counted, which is perhaps why there was a higher turnout than at the general elections we have had recently.

But I disagree with Reform on PR.

PR is a system used by mostly modern European nations, who haven't had the liberal systems we have had here for centuries.

Our system works reasonably well for us.

One can see how in 1979, 1997, 2010 and now, it has allowed the Public to remove a Government that had run it's course.

That's practically impossible under PR.

I'm not averse to tweaking and I have started putting something together for discussion, which will help smaller parties get a foothold, while making sure that we tend to have Governments that at least someone voted for, unlike in 2010.

[Witton Park]

Post Brexit, the need for care and nhs workers for example has grown massively, with hundreds of thousands of visas granted to overseas employees willing to do the work (many from India, Nigeria and South Africa). Yeah the conservatives massively not knowing what the heck they were doing and massively underfunding these services didn’t help but they had far more important jingoism and cronyism to be getting on with

Well that's an opinion, that I would call a sub-optimal option.

A better option, would be to use the people already here.

[Fellbeast]

Well that's an opinion, that I would call a sub-optimal option.

A better option, would be to use the people already here.

The jobs don’t pay enough though do they? And the tories wanted to spend less, not more and drive jobs into the ground in applying stress and thumbscrews for ever more perceived/imaginary efficiency. And for care workers, giving their largely private business employers more would’ve just increased profits, and not increased pay anyway

[Witton Park]

The jobs don’t pay enough though do they?

I'm not just talking about the lower paid jobs. I'm, also talking about GPs and Consultants. We have GPs reducing hours to 3 or 4 day weeks because of the tax implications of going over £100k per annum.

We are also watering down the standards.

We have seen the introduction of plastic bobbies, and we now have plastic GPs and Consultants, such as the "Physician Associates" that MikeT has previously touched on or pharmacists making medical assessments and handing out prescriptions.

But lower down the pay scale we have a minimum wage in this country and practically every day we use services or buy goods from folk who are working on or around minimum wage.

If you work a full time 40 hour week now on Minimum Wage you will be earning £457.60 pw gross.

Now if that is enough for burger flippers, binmen, factory workers for John Lewis making curtains and blinds, then how come it isn't enough for care workers?

It is.

And we need to do something to try and get the 10 million part-time workers to do more hours and the 6 million people of working age that are economically inactive to be more engaged with the workplace than what we are.

https://forum.fellrunner.org.uk/show...l=1#post686328
This was my suggestion to do that.

My proposed MW adjustments would go a long way to resolving issues in the care industry.

[Witton Park]

Complete and utter bastards (Tory + Reform)

I've thought about this and I know I have commented a few times already today, but I could not let this go.

The idea that someone who votes Tory or Reform are "complete and utter bastards" is just contemptable whether it's serious or tongue in cheek.

It is not the Reform or Tory voters that seek to transition confused teenagers with life-changing drugs, or glorify the atrocities of Hamas.

[Fellbeast]

Nope, GPs working reduced days per week is a quality of life thing and also very much a rebalance due to the stupidly increased pressures of the job; obviously an aging population isn’t helping either

As for comparing flipping burgers to care workers helping distressed alzheiner suffering invalids to the toilet, dealing with possible confusion, anger and violence issues (not to mentionracism) and then wiping their bottoms after - Jesus!

[Fellbeast]

Reform themselves are all complete and utter bastards - some who vote for them are too, and feel empowered by nowadays thinking it’s fine and dandy to express racism out loud. Others are just brainwashed and or not paying attention

[Witton Park]

Reform themselves are all complete and utter bastards - some who vote for them are too, and feel empowered by nowadays thinking it’s fine and dandy to express racism out loud. Others are just brainwashed and or not paying attention

"all" - appalling Brian.

It was a Labour candidate who said he enjoyed "drinking the tears of white people" and ironically the one who stood in Clacton.
That's pretty racist Brian.

Or how about the Greens?
https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/0...-than-reforms/

Mind you, they aren't all bastards - just some of them.