drug taking in sport

[daz h]

i knew id read it before somewhere
1994 and a pretty good cyclist tested positve for salbutimol by the french federation of cyclists, he was later cleared by the UCI" ho ho ho" they are always good for a laugh.
err oh his name
miguel indurain

[david]

ive been thinking about the chinese and the olympics for some time

So have I. Unfortunately I think we will see a lot of "unbelievable" performances by Chinese athletes.

[daz h]

i was thinking , its hard to get my head around this salbutimol issue , is the benefit gained not just the use of the inhaler , therefore is it not the propellant that delivers the salbutimol the actual problem , im no expert but i presume its the same kind of high experienced by people who abuse anything in a can , its the propellant that becomes addictive or does that only give a short term high for a few seconds only

[Wheeze]

This is all b*ll sh*t! I use salbutamol rgularlio and i yam completellly noooormallio...o...oooooooo grrrrr, snart, spit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CL]

i was thinking , its hard to get my head around this salbutimol issue , is the benefit gained not just the use of the inhaler , therefore is it not the propellant that delivers the salbutimol the actual problem , im no expert but i presume its the same kind of high experienced by people who abuse anything in a can , its the propellant that becomes addictive or does that only give a short term high for a few seconds only

Daz H I think your having a laugh.All this has been covered in previous threads.

[daz h]

sorry guys i was kidding but this thread is going on and on and on
i just cant see what the argument is here,
for the last time
salbutamol is legal unless you get caught abusing it to abnormal levels, simple as
i wont post anymore
sorry wheeze i didnt me to offend, my lad is asthmatic and i just think this thread is starting to get a bit over the top with regards to f../. salbutimol
no other drugs are being mentioned , all we are talking about is a legal drug

[Wheeze]

Quite so old chap! Time for another toke on the 'Puff The Magic Dragon'!!

[CL]

Quite so old chap! Time for another toke on the 'Puff The Magic Dragon'!!

Here's another athlete on 'puff the magic dragon.'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/7265686.stm

[detritus21]

She had taken it for a valid reason. I've just read back over the thread. I use salbutamol and I also use corticosteroids does that make me a cheat does it bugger. Have you ever had an attack of severe bronchospasm when you run like I do if I race without taking an inhalor. It feels like you are suffocating not a pleasent experience. Taking salbutamol hasn't improved my running I've been taking it for the last 2 years and I haven't really run much in the way of pb's. I've also been taking corticosteroids for the last year and no pb's really performance enhancing at standard doses. Pre and post exercise peak flows is what should be used to correctly diagnose exercise induced asthma then pre and post having taken your inhaler.

With a normal set of lungs you will get an increase in peak flow immediately following exercise which indicates that there is an increase in the cross sectional area of the airway.

If I didn't take my inhaler my Peak Flow will drop indicating a decrease in the cross sectional area and hence harder to breathe.

If I take my inhaler my peak flow stays the same indicating that the cross sectional area of airway is the same which means that I get no advantage over those who don't take an inhaler so infact compared to me those who don't have asthma are at an advantage even when I've taken my inhaler. If you don't have asthma and use salbutamol you would gain an advantage this is where correct diagnosis comes into play. The extended TEU that you fill in for the IAAF involves peak flows and spirometry readings to be put on the form. This is screened by UKA prior to the IAAF getting it.

Back to the point if I had pnemonia I'd take whatever I was given seeing as pneumonia can be a somewhat life threatening condition.

[Richard Shlong]

Just been reading the comments about missing drugs tests on another thread.Its My opinion that the sport of athletics is dead at an international level.Drugs are rife in all events, and I see no solution to the problem, apart from advances in testing technology.

Athletes in Britain cannot compete in some events, because many foreigners are not subject to the same testing protocol.

I really believe that athletes who reach national level(here),should seriously consider whether competing on the world scene, is actually to their interests.

To really throw the spanner in the works, it's also my opinion that all current world records were set with drugs.Think i'm exaggerating then consider this:With the advent of EPO in the 1990s mens and womens distance records took a massive dive.

I also think that promoters of events, should exempt certain athletes and countries, from their events(and rewards) until they're subject to the same testing procedures as ours.

Any views?

Lance Armstrong. True hero.