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it stands at 662 now??
Only an injury will keep me from taking part (touch wood). Enjoy the training.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin
Will the entry fee revert to the normal £8 in 2009 or will the organisers realise there are plenty of punters willing to part with £20 for the privilege of running?
I know £20 is a big increase on last years fee but I think its fairly reasonable still though. I come from a road running background and you'll pay that do a big 10k. Most evening races I do are £4-5 for 4 or 5 mile races and they be Micky mouse races where as this has a bit more significance even if I'm not going to be near the front. Not too often you'll get to run in a "World" event infact its not too often I get to run in an English Champs race as last year I was injured or didn't enter in time
Good luck to the people who've got entries (eg mudlugger & witton park).
Although I've missed out and I'm upset about it I've got nothing against people who are in! If it's going to be your first time, then train hard and enjoy it. It's a great day out. My only tip would be to remember that when you get to Ribblehead you've done about half the distance but only a third of the climbing! :)
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Originally Posted by Antisocial
exactly - there MUST be some contingency for this???
Thanks blencathrafrommykitchen, I'll do my best. Soz you didnt get in.Quote:
Originally Posted by blencathrafrommykitchen
I'll remember to hold plenty back.
"I'm also beginning to feel somewhat guilty about being 'in', as if I've kept someone else out of 'their' race.
I appologise to all who are offended by my presence as I know I won't break any records in any categories or add to my tally of marathons... I'm just there to run"
Mudlugger don't feel guilty - give me your number and your guilt will vanish.
Jeez...two busy days at work and now I return to the normal world to find next spring's big target is gone.
Stuff it, i'll race round myself the day before and take advantage of all that tape ;)
Right fellrunning has a non team aka Fell Ponies looks to me as if there is scope for a series of non races starting with the 3 peaks.
I.E. a group of like minded folk turn up an decide it might be fun to have an impromptu race amoungst themselves, no entry fees or prizes just a good day out maybe an unoficial time keeper.
Bit like the music raves of old but without annoying anybody;)
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Originally Posted by Epocian
they wont even get £8 out of me next year
i totally disagree that an english championship fell race can be FULL BEFORE THE FRA CALENDAR HAS LANDED ON MY DOORSTEP:(. It makes a mockery of the calendar.
i have persuaded two people to join the FRA in recent weeks from my area and last night they was talking about how good the calendar was, bear in mind they are not on the computer , i just said yes the calendar is good but some of the races may be already full
the reply was ive only just recieved the calendar
nuff said
I think we'll see that more and more. Especially as race fees increase.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnK
Look at the success of the Highland Fling, nice, low key, cheap. I know the WHW is well organised but it's over £60 quid more when in fact you get less logistical help, OK you get a nice top and goodies and a nice crystal goblet, but I do think £75 is a lot. TDMB is £100 and you get fed along the way, bags dropped off and transported back if you drop out.
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Originally Posted by JohnK
DarK Peak already do this, The Winter series is organised by someone picking an empty date in the calender and setting a course (6-10 miles) giving a brief out line of a course and a time to meet, often self timed. The good thing about this is if some one can't make the Saturday they will run on sunday and submit a time later. Penistone, Barnsley and Totley runners often join in and occasionally even the odd Pennine runner makes a raid:D .
Wonder how many dissapointed runners (runner who did'nt get in) would turn up a week after the actually race and run the impromptu race.
There seem to be a relatively small number of oversubscribed races, either regularly or only when they are championship events.
Would it not be possible for these events to have more stringent entry qualifications such as a larger number of previous events completed or, as in the UT de Mont Blanc, the requirement to accumulate qualification points by having completed races from a specific list? Any unfilled places could then be opened up to all comers a short time before the event.
This might reduce the number of what may be thought of as 'speculative' entries and should have the benefit of boosting numbers in events which currently struggle to be financially viable. The downside is, of course, a more complex system for organisers to administer.
I write as someone lucky enough to spot the 'entries open' in time but who feels for the regulars who have been excluded.
Just a thought.
If the course is flagged from Thursday to Tuesday at is suggests on the 3 peaks site.
Why not have a race Friday, one Saturday and one Sunday.
It this just too simple or too silly???
Trevor,Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
I can understand the sentiments behind an 'unofficial race' but it states on the 3 peaks web site :
The course will be the same as the 2007 race but the route will be fully flagged from Thurs 24th April. However any training in the area before the 24th April must be restricted to the normal 3 Peaks walking route. Competitors are required to follow the fully marked taped or flagged route throughout. These special arrangements apply only on race day. At other times please keep to recognised paths and rights of way, follow the Country Code, keep dogs under control, use gates and stiles, do not harm farm animals and PLEASE TAKE YOUR LITTER HOME !
As in previous years parts of the race route are negotiated with local farmers and don't follow the normal right-of-way 3 peaks route.
Nothing to stop an unofficial race on another day if the rights-of-way are kept to but we wouldn't want to undo any of the good work done by the 3 peaks committee.
Cheers, Ali
I quite agree Daz. To have a 2008 English championship race closed to further entries weeks before the 2008 calendar is published is just nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by daz h
Mmm... now thats interesting?;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Antisocial
Sorry Ali, I did not make the point clear. I was suggesting more than 1 official races. Maybe Ladies Sat and Lads Sun etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali
Just say the word Mudlugger and I wil sell my child.Quote:
Originally Posted by mudlugger
Given the interest and number of people who did not get in, do you think the organisers will check to see if people actually have done the qualifiers they say they have done? Not that I am suggesting anyone would ever falsify an entry form and risk themselves and other competitors so they could get a race, just a thought.
I have done the Three peaks twice now 2005 & 2006, last year I entered but unfortunately I could not run due to illness.
I cant remember for the life of me whether or not I gave my number away, the three peaks race is one of my favourites. It was the first big race I entered and trained up for, it was real step into the unknown for me. Thats why I personally like it
If for any reason I cannot make this race next year, I will definately be sending my number back or giving it away (through the right channels) well in advance of the race.
I did realise last year as time ran out for me with this race and I relaised that I would not be running. That it is not the be all and end all, there are some much better races out there.
If you have'nt got in, aim for another
Edale
Borrowdale
Wasdale
Darwen Gala Race
There are lots out there.
I'm not trying to preach to people, I will be somewhere near the middle like a lot of people on this forum.
Hopefully Britain has sorted out enough good top 10 runners from each category to throw our best towards the rest of the world.
Jamie
i agree how can yo allow entries for 2008 race and calender not out for 2008
its a joke they should let the top 50 men and top 25 women from last years race enter then invite you jebbs and holmes type give them all say 3 weeks to enter then make it a free for all its no good like this same happened edale and ben nevis.
i don,t mean to offend anyone but i bet there are few entires who have never been near the place let alone intend to ever do it again leaving you die hards feeling bitter
PLEASE DO ONT ALLOW ONLINE ENTIES FOR FELL RACES ITS KILLING THE RACES
can you tell i not entered yet:confused: :D :o :)
PLEASE DO ONT ALLOW ONLINE ENTIES FOR FELL RACES ITS KILLING THE RACES
can you tell i not entered yet:confused: :D :o :)[/QUOTE]
800 entries says its not.
can you tell I got in?
It's not fell racing as I know it (in my limited experience).Quote:
PLEASE DO ONT ALLOW ONLINE ENTIES FOR FELL RACES ITS KILLING THE RACES
But it's clearly doing wonders for numbers - as well as filling the coffers of race organisers. Fair enough, to a point I suppose, as there will be some costs that are incurred before the day of a race.
So, it looks like it's good news for organisers but doesn't necessarily suit the runners. Sources tell me that it's the norm in other disciplines e.g. triathlon so we're probably going to have to get used to it :mad:.
One consolation. Unlikely (unless an exception is made) to be "Mudged" on the day, as I gather she's away at the Everest Marathon. How a "World Champs" can lead to exclusion of such athletes is beyond me :confused:.
Aye, Angela is away at the Everest marathon.
And from the comments she made at the agm of the Scottish Hill Runners shes certainly not a fan of early entries be they online or not.
I think its important to note that if anyone who has entered and cannot do it through injury,illness or bad prep. Should return their number within good time for it to be passed onto someone else.
Is their a process for this??
From the PPP site.Quote:
Originally Posted by NotOnUrHelly
Substitution
If you need to substitute your entry please go to the 'Update Your Entry' link and replace your details with those of your substitute (who must meet the all the qualification requirements). Your fee will not be refunded but your substitute does not have to pay again.
Be interesting to know if every entrant is a member of the FRA - they should be, in my opinion. If they're not, there are stacks of other fell races for them to cut their teeth on.
I agree. Championship races should be members only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Epocian
That would be a reasonable suggestion if the races were organised by the FRA but they aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
I see your point but it could lead to isolation of races i.e. elitism. Before we know it, local club championships will be club members only and that could lead to all sorts of other knock on effects? Surely, private races are not the way forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
I have just logged on to the web site and realised I have missed out on the 3 Peaks. After reading all 13 pages of blogs has it occured to anybody else that a lot of the enteries won't have the correct qualification and will just be chancing it on some obscure marathon time?
I for one will be keeping my eye on the web page for further developments.
I am not clear what, if anything, the PPP Organisers have got wrong.
They opened race entries up around the date they said they would...and 650 people applied like the Gadarene swine.
The organisers have in place mechanisms for elite runners, substitutions, foreign runners, etc.
So what have the PPP organisers done wrong?
PHP Code:I have just logged on to the web site and realised I have missed out on the 3 Peaks. After reading all 13 pages of blogs has it occured to anybody else that a lot of the enteries won't have the correct qualification and will just be chancing it on some obscure marathon time?
I for one will be keeping my eye on the web page for further developments.
i have just checked the few points raised there are a number names without clubs either they forgot to put the club down or they are not members therefore surely fra members should get preferance.PHP Code:Originally Posted by Stagger
I agree. Championship races should be members only.
i have also just checked and i can see 1 name that has not done the qualifying races.100%
i hope all the names entered are checked and the entries re open then i can enter .
i only jealous as i could not get to a pc quick enough.
Nothing in my opinion. They are free to organise their race in whatever way they see fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrahamB
However, while the FRA calendar remains the official means of communicating race information to FRA members, it is surely wrong for an English championship race to be fully subscribed before the calendar is published.
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Originally Posted by david
its more than wrong
The organisers have allowed people to enter in advance and then to substitute their entry with another runner of their own choice with no additional costs!Quote:
Originally Posted by GrahamB
Substitution should involve some cost penalty and the organisers should select the athlete.
I expect there will be entries auctioned on ebay!
I checked earlier. None yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by XRunner
The 6500 Calendars do not all arrive in letter boxes together. Blame the Post Office.Quote:
Originally Posted by david
So some people would know, and it appears apply, before others whatever system you used.