We tracked it down already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
It is amazing the change when 21 days ago it was 46 to 33 in favour of MPs ruling out "No Deal" 11% change in 21 days seems unbelivable.
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We tracked it down already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
It is amazing the change when 21 days ago it was 46 to 33 in favour of MPs ruling out "No Deal" 11% change in 21 days seems unbelivable.
When the same poll is broken down between Tory & Labour.
TORIES
No deal 76%
Remain 19%
Don't know 4%
LABOUR
No deal 26%
Remain 61%
Don't know 14%
So imagine the Tory attitude to a collaboration with Corbyn for a BRINO, and the flip, the Labour attitude to a collaboration with May to any form of Brexit.
This is a strange question though, as it starts with "if we haven't agreed a deal..."
So essentially the option of "a deal" has been removed. I'd be interested to see the figures if this were an option. I suspect some Conservatives wouldn't like the option of "a deal" because they tend to be more pro no-deal, and I suspect some Labour voters wouldn't like it because although they favour "a deal" they probably won't like what they see as the Conservative deal.
Mmmh. My head hurts!:)Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
There's a date attached Noel and it is framed that way to see if the public are happy to constantly see the can kicked down the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
I imported extra stock from the EU in March preparing for the 29th. Enough to keep me going until Mid-end May.
I advised my key EU customers to buy ahead and most did.
What now?
Uncertainty is the biggest issue for business, travellers, drivers....
I'm on a holiday in Pollensa, Majorca in June with the family. We'll need 2-3 vehicles.
I'm OK with WTO as I'm used to the procedures, as are most importers & exporters. But cannot keep making decisions on guesswork like this.
I've put three Danish pastries from Greggs in the freezer, just in case.
Au contraire. Almost all tories I know prefer an equitable deal. Mogg, Davis and Johnson all do. But they are also realistic enough to know the EU has no intention of offering other than a humiliation, not least because of the stupidity of our " no to no deal MPs"
And in the choice between no deal or prolonging the humiliation, we vote no deal every time.
And when the planes fly, and trade carries on, thevpower of EU to Blackmail disappears as does a bill for 39 billion. Then for the first time EU will be obliged to treat us as partners.
The problem is a house of reminder MPs to whom the meaningful vote was always intended as abrexit wrecker. Yvette coopers and the speakers unconstitutional behaviour is shameful. As is the house for supporting anarchy.
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Originally Posted by noel
Then google it properly instead. Use Europe as comparison.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area...pean_countries
England ( as opposed to uk) has one of the highest population densities in europe, other than a few minute states,
It also has one of the biggest increases due to migrancy. So already too high is up 10 percent more.
Now the REAL problem: which is not about absolute density, Even labours unicorn housing pledge cannot keep up with migrants, at the levels of 300-500000 and migrants don't bring houses with them. And most of them seemingly want to live in such as London where there is nowhere left to build, so rents begin to rocket.
That is not sustainable. EU refuses to help address it and verhofstadt is determined to make it worse. I wish people would engage with the real issues. There would be less remainers if they did.
migration is a symptom. Not the problem. The real problem EU also refuses to address which is the inevitable worsening of imbalance because of a currency union without political union.
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Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
There is another issue linked to some of my earlier posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oracle
University admissions are at record levels.
We have close to 2 million students in higher education here in the UK. Most in year 1 go in halls, but the rest go in rented accommodation.
That's around 1.5 million students now looking for accommodation.
Of course it was always the case. but the numbers are double what they were back in the 80s and early 90s.
So that is something around 150-200k large family homes that are now student accommodation, almost all in the towns and cities and almost all in areas that would have been considered "affordable housing" in the area.
Oracle, you say those Tory pro-no-deal MPs are only saying "let's leave without a deal" to increase our bargaining power to get a better deal. Whereas a lot of people including other MPs in their own party, who've known and worked with them for year, don't agree and think the ERG really want to leave without a deal. That's why they've now voted to avoid that. I think I believe them and not you.
Having already brought down four leaders over Europe, the Tory party seem intent to continue to tear themselves apart over Europe. I wonder if the lack of a credible opposition is partly to blame. I suspect there would be more of a call for unity if they were 20 points behind in the polls. They seem to forget their real audience is the public, not their colleagues in the party.
University accommodation is a massive growth here in Coventry.
If you drive on the elevated ring-road and look across the skyline, there is lots going on, but the fact is that 90% is simply tower blocks for housing university students.
Nothing particularly wrong with that... but it seems a shame to me that Coventry seems to now be nothing more than a 'student city', with very little development that isn't in some way related to this.
In reply to Piers Morgan being a dick (as usual) and announcing on Twitter that no deal is Brexit and that no deal was exactly what was voted for at the referendum, the most detailed and informed response ever. Go on all you pro-no deal brexiteers, I dare you to read it 😉
https://twitter.com/emporersnewc/sta...300842497?s=21
Some of the comments lower down are probably the most important. Piers Morgan, along with many other idiotic Brexiteers will just stick his fingers in his ears and go La, La, La, when somebody tries to hightlight how wrong they are.
La la la
Out out out
and a 3 bed terrace in Earlsdon my daughter stayed in when at Warwick, that would typically have a market value of between £150K and £200k or rentable for £500-£600 per month, was converted to 5 bed student accomodation with facilities, poorly furnished and equipped, taking £1800 per month for 10 months Sept - June each year from 5 students.Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
It's not necessarily to increase our bargaining power to get a better deal Noel.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
If you look back to article 50 and the understanding or interpretation of it by all sides pre referendum and up to invoking it, that interpretation was such that the expectation was that by the end of the A50 2 year period we would have both sides of the agreement ready to approve.
The Withdrawal element ready to sign prior to leaving and the after part "signature ready".
The Government said as such and the opposition understood that to be the case.
The concern at the time was that the Commons would not have sight of it and be able to debate and approve it.
That was the origin of the meaningful vote, for Government to bring both sides of the deal to the Commons.
A huge issue for many on both sides is that the future bit is:
a. not firmed up
b. not legally binding
c. agreed mostly between politicians that will not be in place by Autumn as we will have a new commission, a new EU Parliament, a new Council President.... and maybe a new Prime minister and Government.
The EU have pushed this, saying they cannot agree to the future relationship in any detail until we have left.
That's not quite what Barnier was saying 20 months ago, when he said it was possible to have a trade deal ready to sign and that was his aim.
So what some Tory MPs are saying, and I agree with them is:
1. We have caved in at each pinch point rather than keep talking until were are happy to move on.
2. That means we have a less than satisfactory Withdrawal Agreement giving away too much.
3. That is why we have a less than satisfactory future declaration which doesn't give enough information.
Those 3 points are actually widely agreed across the Commons, and why the Govt has been defeated now 3 times.
The remedy is the problem.
The remedy is different depending on your position.
For lifelong leavers they need amendments to the WA and it was approved in the Commons under the Brady Amendment.
That is the only majority vote for any course of action.
The EU say they won't re-open the Withdrawal Agreement. That's rather odd, it is a draft, that has still not received final and full approval, and as with CETA which was vetoed by a Belgium assembly, the EU know that they could re-open it if they wanted to.
The remedy for Remainers is a 2nd vote, because it is the only way for the direction of travel they want, which is to Remain.
and their lies the problem. COMPROMISE say the likes of Lucas, Soubry, Grieve, Leslie, Umuna, the SNP…. but in all the 8 & 12 indicative votes that took place in the last week, they did not vote for any of the so-called compromise solutions.
My take on this is quite simple.
I want a version of leave that does not bind the hands of future Governments. I am concerned that we are moving from a situation we can leave on April 12th, to a situation we cannot leave because we've signed an international treaty.
The Agreement could be harder to leave than the EU.
So for me, I would rather Remain than sign this Withdrawal Agreement. Because if we Remain for now, we still have the option to Leave with what I call a Clean Brexit.
If we leave without an agreement, there is a school of thought that we will still in the end reach an agreement.
If we leave on April 12th, the EU can then talk to us as equals and agree future issues as we will then be a 3rd country.
Already some provisions are in place to cover such an outcome.
WE could still leave the £39 Billion there on the table, and see if they want to talk.
A new commission, council, Parliament will not have any face to save and I think it would be likely to happen.
Yes Earlsdon is certainly 'student central'
My house in Bedworth (a nice, fairly modern 1 bedroom semi in a nice quiet cul-de-sac) has a rental value of around £500 per month.
My ex-girlfriend lives in Earlsdon (5-6 miles from me), and her house, very similar in size and facilities as mine, but with no garden, and on an apartment block... her rental was closer to £900 per month.
Why has this thread diverged to student rents? What are they ment to do? Don't go to university, or are only allowed to go to one that is commutable from their parents house.
So many Brexitieers are complaining about about infrastructure, overcrowing, etc, that somehow leaving the EU will fix. These problems are 100% caused by the UK goverment that is elected by UK voters. Given a choice of buying a nice fancy car, house, holiday, etc or paying more tax to pay for badly needed infrastructure, too many voters choose the former.
You can believe in fairies if you like as well. You don't have to believe me.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
Reality is the leading brexiteers and I are all provably and historically all champions of free trade which BY DEFINITION means wanting free trade agreeements, which is why ( for example) they have gone on record to sat the interim position they suggest is lodging the intention for free trade as a joint eu and uk statement to WTO to allow the no tarriff arrangements to continue until formalised.
( big hint: that interim is a deal, that requires joint assent) so is proof of intent for a deal. They also considered it ridiculous that EU refuse a joint agreement on such as satellites or intelligence, and all have said so,
All prefer a deal. But no deal is better than EUs attempt at humiliation.
And EVERYONE must accept no deal as a position to negotiate a good deal. MPs are too stupid to see it,
So take care who you trust. There are many willing to misrepresent them.
Two things remain definitively true.
1/ The utter refusal of EU to even discuss trade in violation of article 50 unless we accept an eyewatering blackmail payment, and a permanent annexation of the sovereignty of Northern Ireland, and other weapons in the WA designed to force us into submission in every later negotiation.
2/ the willingness of remainers MPs to abuse every process and misrepresent all opposition in the quest to undermine and reverse Brexit. It was ne real intended as a meaningful vote, on,y a wrecking manoeuvre, now leaving us in no mans land.
ERG are the only group in the commons respecting the referendum and manifesto.
Now look at this instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
All regions except London prefer no deal.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...u-immediately/
Strange the Telegraph publishing that . . .
That is hilarious, how people try to rewrite history. Nowhere was it stated that a no-deal was the preferred option. That tweet listed by Stolly shows so many comments and statements (including in the official referendum document itself) about different trade deal options. No deal was never the preferred option. It is very much a case of now that the unicorn deal has not materialized people are retrospectively deciding that No-deal was the will of the people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oracle
Not as hilarious as the Para's using a picture of Corbyn as target practice. Only thing missing was a picture of Dianne Abbot alongside it.
That is not even remotely funny. I am amazed you could write something like that. One person shoots at targets, somebody else shoots at real people. After Jo Cox, we know only too well how true that it.
I am not quoting it and if I were you I would delete it.
By the same account, it was also never stated that "leaving" meant "leaving with a deal" (a deal that is always going to be skewed in favour of the EU.
Coming from a relatively impartial viewpoint (i did not vote in the referendum, i don't think it will matter a jot if we are in or out, given the clowns on all sides of government) i think the claims that people didn't vote to leave with a clean break, is pretty far-fetched. That's certainly how i interpreted it at the time.
Simplified politics post no.3
When Theresa May sticks to her guns, and refuses to budge in negotiations with the EU, and also with other parties in our government, she is "burying her head in the sand" "ignorant and arrogant" "and a terrible negotiator"
Yet when the EU appear to employ the same tactics, and appear to refuse to budge on their negotiated deal, the same accusations are not levelled at them...
They most definitly did vote that way. But so many people thought in doing so they would also be able to keep many of the benefits of the single market becasue the UK is so important to the EU that the EU would bend all the rules to minimise the damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
He voted Remain apparently but thinks the referendum result should be respected and enacted. Such a shame so many other Remainers can't do the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/04/...ow-back-leave/
I wonder what the benefits of the single market are.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
http://facts4eu.org/brexit_and_the_single_market.shtml
not a lot to argue with here.
Perhaps it's not, but I read they were paintballing the target, and there's been more fuss made of this than a story of Donald Trump, Maggie Thatcher and others at a shooting range.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
And I think there lies the problem, the lack of consistency these days.
We have Parliament fighting for time, to be able to scrutinise effectively one minute, and putting a bill through in 24 hours another.
No one is claiming it is the preferred option, it is just preferred to the one May has put before the House.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
You have to go back pre-referendum to get your head around what we were voting for with a Leave vote based on literature, campaigning, politicians on both sides.....
1. Cameron would immediately invoke Article 50.
2. We could expect an emergency budget and an economic downturn.
3. a two year process working out the arrangements for leaving and a future plan.
4. to be out by June 2018, with a Free Trade arrangement so long as a suitable arrangement could be agreed by both parties.
52%, 17.4 million voted for that.
There are no unicorns in there.
We were on course for this (without the budget and downturn) when we went to a General Election, just 9 months behind as Cameron had gone and May wisely waited and did some prep before invoking article 50.
At the General Election both Tory and Labour manifestos set out exactly this plan, with only minor nuances between them.
Since then we have seen a very accomplished wrecking attempt by a bunch of MPs, who had they declared their hand in the General Election campaign, might not have won their seats.
You mean nowhere other than the winning general election manifesto that is therefore a mandate.
That stated clearly on the most important issue of our time " no deal is better than abad deal"
On this as many other things you seem illinformed, the illinformed state of many remainers is certainly not hilarious.
ERG would prefer a deal. There is not a deal On offer,EU refuse to negotiate on trade, and offer only a humiliation. So no deal it is.
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Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
It’s certainly pretty tasteless and not something we want members of our armed forces doing. But it’s a big leap to equate shooting at a target with the actual murder of Jo Cox.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
I was interested to hear that when told about the incident Corbyn said he was shocked. It’s a pity he wasn’t as shocked by the murder of British soldiers by IRA killers in the 1980’s. Its probably not that surprising that their modern day counterparts are not overly enamoured by him.
Presumedly you're refering to those 30 or so hard Brexiters, who had they voted for May's deal would have secured the UK no longer holding EU membership at this very moment. Instead, because these hard liners, unicorn-chasers, wanted BOTH the UK to leave the EU (which the majority voted for), AND also on their own preferred very narrow terms (which no-one voted for because it wasn't a choice on the referendum ballot), we're all still in the EU. I bet their Leave constituents are fuming!Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
Is it because she's black or a woman or both that you think she should be murdered?Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
Pardon? I don't recall suggesting that. Care to apologise?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mossdog
Do you think it's acceptable to take target practice (preparation for shooting/killing someone) at images of any politicians, or any person? It's dangerous and in the UK today, with the tensions prevalent, it's highly irresponsible - even to 'joke' about it. We've already had Jo Cox murdered by a far right extremist. We had the far-right Ryan McGee - EDL and ex forces - jailed for preparing nail bombs and Jack Henshaw this week, jailed for planning to kill Labour politician. Making a joke out of shooting Dianne Abbot is in poor taste and potentially inciting to those who might perpetrate violence. She's already plagued by death / rape threats. Do you feel like apologising for the post?Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
Corbyn has been attacking and trying to emasculate the armed forces all his adult life. He prefers terrorist bombers, and was editor or a magazine that stated after Brighton: " what do you call a dead Tory? A start!" So Corbyn certainly has no platform to object to this, or be arbiter of bad taste. He forfeited the right years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
Screw you yvette cooper, and the rest.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...use-of-commons
Here is the first thing I respect varadkar for.Every other way he has been a menace.
But he will not negotiate with cooper or her wasters, whatever they demand.
Mind you, he will not negotiate with UK anyway so where is the surprise in that?
So The commons wasted its time in trying to pervert the constitution. I hope the lords throw it out on the basis because it cannot help and will certainly hinder.