They'll also be aware of the Khunian model of science.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mossdog
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They'll also be aware of the Khunian model of science.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mossdog
One issue that has been raised, notably by Richard Horton, editor of the Lancet, is that scientific advisors that are part of the inner circle get influenced by the same "group think" as the politicians they are attempting to provide independent advice to. He argues we'd be better served by an independent COVID scientific committee.Quote:
Originally Posted by XRunner
I can't see that happening any time soon. Politicians like to control the message.
The contract tracing app was launched two weeks ago and has been downloaded 16 million times. It has only sent one alert about a coronavirus outbreaks in a pub/bar venue.
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/coron...venue-12099651
"Department of Health officials said that the system was still in its infancy and was not expected to be used frequently."
Amazing! Isn't the whole idea that they wanted millions of people to download and use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_Mole
Also, irrespective of that: which bright spark thought the best course of action was to add that bit. "Still in its infancy" is a reasonable excuse in itself. The second bit just flags incompetence.
Nuts, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
It is worth noting that she is one of the very few MPs to have a science degree so probably has a far greater understanding than most of her colleagues.Quote:
Originally Posted by XRunner
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon...spital-4590843
Only half of the Devon covid patients went in for Covid.
Here's an interesting graph which was new to me - it shows today's reported 13,864 new cases but added by specimen date (ie spread back over the last few days).
The figures are still moving on an upwards/sideways trajectory but perhaps not in such an alarming and haphazard way. Still a worrying trend but ever so slightly reassuring that things aren't yet going completely tits up
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ej5XEyTX...pg&name=medium
https://assets.publishing.service.go...rt_week_40.pdf
This will be the last COVID-19 surveillance report, as of 8 October 2020, the information in this report will be published in a combined Weekly flu and COVID-19 Surveillance Report on GOV.UK.
Sounds entirely sensible. After all they're both respiratory diseases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
Prof Carl Heneghan has been pointing this out for weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellbeast
It is one thing for me to be appalled, disheartened and in despair at the incompetence of our politicans to deal calmly, logically and effectively, with the Covid crisis - but that is as nothing in comparison to what, say, world-renowned epidemiologists must be feeling.:(Quote:
Originally Posted by brummievet
World leading epidemiologists don't have to consider the economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
Looking at this BBC map https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54373904 (bottom of the page) of the UK, it really doesn't seem credible that all of the 'problem' areas are noth of a line running from tht Wash to the river Severn. I smell a gigantic rat!
No 'hot spots' in the SE or the SW, with all of their dense populations and numerous universities. Do me a favor! There's some statistical manipulations going on here for sure.:mad:
True and it now looks like The Guardian as trying to do a hatchet job by smearing those that contributed to the Great Barrington Declaration. https://unherd.com/thepost/is-the-gu...on-scientists/Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
Reddit also reportedly taking down postings of the Declaration.
Hmmm like the the governments of China, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Australia and New Zealand then 🤔Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
Haha what about the moon landings mossdog?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mossdog
Simon Yates out the Giro with the lurgy :(.
don't blame the meedja, it's been signed by experts such as Dr Johnny Bananas, Professor Cominic Dummings and someone who went to the University of Your Mum. Someone else's name is apparently the first verse of the Macarena. Sky News (not the Gruniad) apparently discovered 18 self-declared homeopaths in the list of expert names and more than 100 therapists whose expertise included massage, hypnotherapy and Mongolian khoomii singing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mossdog
Struth! All done and dusted mate. Every one has now seen the squirrel (unexplained object) scampering in the top corner of that studio setting, reflected in Neil Armchair's visor.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellbeast
Great Barrington was an open letter, anyone could sign it with a made up name just for the craic or to discredit it. Boaty McBoatface anyone?
Well, I am starting to blame the MSM who appear to have become addicted to fear mongering, perhaps especially now they're sick of Brexit. Not sure how old you are Dave, but I recall the HIV/AID 'crisis' in the 1980s and the mass hysteria that entailed. Closing of borders. Doctors refusing to treat some patients, and all the ensuring craziness. Fast forward 2020 and a sense of deja vu. Once again some feverish thinking has also apparently taken over political leaders and the media. A year ago, if anyone wrote that medical professionals who had differing views on how to approach a serious health subject would be silenced, and classed as evil denialists, to be lampooned, you'd would have thought it science fiction. But now it is the norm. It will ultimately be interested to read the figures of how many have died of 'lockdown' rather than Covid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_Mole
With my kind heart and recognising you are now a bit too old and frail to go out in the cold to a cinema with a mere 50 feet wide screen I have arranged with Netflix that The Trial of the Chicago Seven will be shown on Netflix in 50 inch splendour next Friday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellbeast
And you think I lack influence?:)
The governments of those countries you mention are fortunate that the vast majority of their subjects do as they are advised/requested/told to do and if they don't there are and have been consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellbeast
In this so called United Kingdom we, unfortunately, are not united and have a very large minority of society who are so selfish and self centred that they just ignore the rules and do what they want and what makes it worse is that there no or very few consequences for their behaviour.
This does not just apply to the Covid crisis but many other aspects of life which include litter, graffiti, general yobbish behaviour, aggressive driving, respect for authority/elders etc.....
What this country needs is a short sharp shock but I'm afraid it will never happen as the snowflakes, although in the minority, are making the most noise.
That's an interesting take on it LB. I thought it's normally the libertarian type who object to being told what to do. Those numpties protesting in London a few weeks didn't strike me as snowflakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
Or are we using different definitions of snowflakes here?
I don't normally comment on this thread, but do follow it So here's a question for all of you with knowledge or a valid opinion.
Why are lockdown measures/virus impact so much worse in central Scotland, the north of England and high population areas of Wales? I wonder why the south of England seem to be living a normal life? Is it any thing to do with levels of disadvantage or just to do with where the people in power live?
I think we largely do as we have to witin the law here. There are always rule breakers who rob, assault, commit fraud, drink drive, navigate around a fell race with GPS....Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
and I think the law abiding citizens of the UK have mostly followed the guidance and laws that have been put in place.
But when the law is an ass then the generally law abiding public of the UK start object. You have to consider that when Bojo came back in Mid May and set out his plan for gradually opening up, even though we had gone way over the original 3-4 weeks, most people still bought in to that.
It's mostly the last 12 weeks, since the Leicester lockdown, that there has been an increase in criticism.
I think there are different reasons why the East has typically fared better than the west and if you look at what's happening to Darren Grimes at the moment, I think some of those Far East places are better off than us at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
Our police seem more intent on investigating non crimes than crimes these days.
Their website made the mistake of allowing the general public to "sign" their declaration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wetherby whaler
Did they have an easy method of removing fabricated names or even checking that the professional people were who they claimed to be?
I am generally in agreement with their declaration but personally do not believe that natural herd immunity is the best method of reducing the effects of Covid-19 before a vaccination is available.
I also think that statements like "devastating effects" or "irreparable damage" are not the most appropriate phrases to include in a general declaration.
I was with you all the way until you started blaming “snowflakes”. Most of the idiots are I think you’ll find at the other end of the spectrum ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellbeast
I wasn't blaming snowflakes for being the problem but for being the ones that will prevent the short sharp shock.
If New Zealand were to open “properly”, in the same way that European countries have to be open due to economy, population movements and geography, Covid would hit them like a runaway train. They are only safe while they isolate. Do they need tourism any more?
And this month, rugby internationals are going ahead in New Zealand with stadiums at full capacity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wetherby whaler
and I wonder how many away supporters are going to be allowed in.
or those that describe the virus as being allowed to "rip through" the population, or the lies of Govt Ministers when they describe their policy choices as "the only way".Quote:
Originally Posted by XRunner
Ah Ha! As revealed by thorough investigative journalism https://twitter.com/TheSundayMirror/...899074/photo/1Quote:
Originally Posted by Mossdog
And will the consequence of impending restrictions be 'watching the people get lairy' ? If so...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq-3ZrjNDpg
the Exeter area is among the hotspots listed. The Pennsylvania and University MSOA is No7 on the list of English MSOAs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mossdog
The top 30 MSOAs account for 10% of the current cases. They represent around 0.4% of the English population and the top 30 are almost all heavily Uni based.
No1 University Park, Lenton Abbey and Jubilee Campus in Nottingham.
No3 Arboretum, Forest and Trent University - also Nottingham.
Nottingham has 6 of the top 20
Whatever your views on "cases" the current increase is hugely driven by students, although I do wonder how many of them are active nfections.
By Thursday it will be mid October. Isn’t that the point at which the graph produced by Witless and Unbalanced said that we would be recording at least 50,000 cases a day? Well maybe. Let’s see. (Yes I know they covered their backs by saying it wasn’t a prediction just a model but that was the dog whistle to scare everyone shitless).
The 13th is the day in fact. It was worked out from doubling the figures each week from the 3,105 figures from the 15th of September to get to nearly 50,000 by the 13th October. Not a prediction (obviously) but they neglected to give any other figures and the 50,000 was widely reported across the media, just as they’d intended. Let’s see how close they got.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wetherby whaler