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Hmm, you've got me wondering now!
http://www.totalcycling.com/index.ph...urrency&id=GBP
http://www.winstanleysbikes.co.uk/pr...ount_Light_Kit
both mention a 'helmet mount', is this the head strap or something different?
Also, some sites refer to the Hope 4 2008, and some to the Hope 4 2009 - as far as I can see, they appear to be the same thing, no mention of a new model on the Hope website?
The helmet mount is a mount that goes on your cycle helmet to attach the light to, not sure I'd fancy running in a helmet though :eek:
I think there's Hope Vision (cycling) and Vision Adventure for head torches, I might be wrong though.
All very confusing. Good job I can't afford one at the moment :)
Looking at the blurb, it appears that the Hope Vision Two and Vision Four lights come with three mounts: bike handlebar; helmet; headstrap. The Vision One just comes with the handlebar and helment mounts. The Vision 1 Adventure looks like it's from a different series and appears to come as a traditional headtorch. See http://www.hopegb.com/mes_r_typ_s_ra...cherche_1.html
JUST TO STIR IT UP A BIT;
I went out for a night run a couple of weeks back, with my Alpkit Gamma headtorch. Now, bear in mind that i only got this torch to light the way up to the chicken shed when i put them in at night and it cost £12.50 delivered.
It was excellent! The output was just enough to allow me to maintain a good pace on routes that i already knew. My running partner had one too, and the flashing rear red led was excellent to follow when he got a bit far ahead (which he often does).
Looking at your avatar I'd suggest that you are quite a bit closer to the ground than the rest of us. :D;)
We've already done that ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyA
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I've got the Gamma and tested it out with my Myo xp (2008) last night.
If you want to try out running at night its a cheap way of doing it.
Its not as bright as the XP it is a close call though.
BUT it has a very tight beam, you can't pick out a line ahead and see where your feet are going
The beam width of the xp is over four times wider at 10m, when using the Gamma your field of vision plummets I can't believe anyone who uses an XP would use this on its own :rolleyes:
Using it with the XP was a different matter though as its circle of light is very "clean" great for picking out the line ahead while the XP with the diffuser up was used for the closer stuff :)
fair enough!!
Still recommend that anyone thinking of trying night running with a club should get the gamma first. You might not like it; then you're stuck with a torch that's seriously overspecced for getting stuff out of the attic.
Coming from triathlon (my summer sport) i reckon that headtorches are fellrunner's version of the arms race that exists around equipment in triathlon.
If you fancy a laugh, go and have a look at tritalk's gear page if you want to get a flavour of how much these guys would rather spend to gain 2 minutes, instead of actually doing any training!
I thought spending money was the 5th discipline in triathlon? Or was it the 1st.... :rolleyes:
I agree, apart from when running its the torch I use the most.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyA
Great beam for messing obout with motherboards etc and the red beam is great for creeping out the house for early shift without disturbing anyone else :eek:
I've taken the Hope Vision 2 for it's first trip out tonight, the amount of light it puts out is unbelievable! I didn't even bother running with it on the highest setting as the lower ones put out more than enough light.
I'll still use the Myo XP for when it's a clear night and when running in a group, but for the solo runs the Vision 2 is an excellent bit of kit :D
I used my Vision 4 on Eddie's winter round last weekend. It was more than bright enough on low power for the night navigation. I took 2 small batteries but only got about half way through one. I used medium power a couple of times to look for things but that was about it. Great torch and a great night out! Eddie is officially a legend in my book, that was one huge undertaking.
From recent experience, I can confirm that Father Christmas wears a Petzl Myo XP, a silly hat and a slightly soppy smile.
I'd cut back on those caffeinated gels if i were you:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mud
At the xmas on the fells i was informed about this fantastic debate and just wanted to know whether you did find a really bright head torch yet amex?Quote:
Originally Posted by Amex
I have often wondered if head torches can light up everything really really well but never bought one.
Hope headlights are the business!
Petzl Myo XP 2008 will suffice. :)
Silva L1 is very good too for ~£60+
Similar price to the Silva as well, retails around £55. I don't think you can go wrong with any of the LED head torches in this sort of price bracket.Quote:
Originally Posted by jodg
Not That Good - some reliability issues with the cabling and control circuitry - see the other headtorch threads over the last couple of winters.:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pilgrim
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Originally Posted by jodg
Yup! Until someone runs past you with a Hope and then you wonder what you did to be cast into the outer darkness.
At the risk of being lynched I am going to try to ask a simple question;)
I'm willing to spend upto £90 on a head torch to use for night fell running and I've been through the pages and pages of opinion and I'm a little more informed as a result but I'm still none the wiser on what to plump for...
Seems that the main options are.
Petzl Myo XP - light too narrow, fiddly? - 42 quid
Silva - dodgy circuitry? - 60 quid
Hope Vision 1 - cumbersome? switches off when spent - 88 quid
AlpKit - great value but you'll want to buy another one - 12 quid!!!
I've added the negatives as I understand them plus the prices.
Question is: which one?
Cheers.
CH.
I got the Petzl Myo Xp - used it once ii torrential rain. Was pretty impressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by crowhill
crowhill, I think it depends what you want to do. If you want to just go and run steady in the dark, either alone or with a few friends, an Alpkit, Tikka Plus or Mylo XP would be fine. If you want to run quickly or are even half-serious about racing after dark then the brighter your torch the better and unless you have a Hope or similar you'll be seriously disadvantagedQuote:
Originally Posted by crowhill
just a qiuck point, it doesn't matter which head torch you have as long as you can navigate in the dark.. :rolleyes:;):confused::eek:
or have a long piece of string.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
Not sure why you think the Myo XP is fiddly? No problems with mine. The diffuser is quite useful for where you know the path is decent and just need a decent spread of light.
Had a Sylva LX for about 3 months now with no problems. Seems to be a bit brighter than the Myo and with a wider beam which is handy. Battery last for ever but can seem a bit heavy, better when in a bum bag rather than it little pouch with elastic belt.
The trick Breezy is to ensure that you keep the person with the Hope a short distance behind you to get the benefit of the beam. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GrahamB
Worked well for me last night. ;)
Anyway, what happened to you? You past me on the way over to the Badger Stone but seem to have finished behind me. I got past a few who couldn't seem to get a decent line between the stand of pines and White Wells.
Enjoyed it very much. Thanks Brett.
And just for the record I was using a Princeton Tec Apex. :D
Morgan,Quote:
Originally Posted by BGSec
Just regard it as a magnamimous act of charity on my part.
Graham
Ah, so you did stray off the optimum line then............:DQuote:
Originally Posted by GrahamB
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Originally Posted by BGSec
I prefer to say I took the high line so I could look down on your lower, albeit more effective, route finding.
I must have taken the higher, higher line then.
Twas only because I didn't know the best lines and you reckoned you did:DQuote:
Originally Posted by BGSec
Graham seems to prefer forging his own path:rolleyes: I somehow managed to gain twenty minutes on him in the Lothersdale event:pQuote:
Originally Posted by BGSec
A compliment indeed. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GrahamB
Not often I have a fellow Harrier tucked in behind me in a race on Ilkey Moor, but then you is an off cumden. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob
Worked a treat though cos you sneaked past Graham too while he was taking the higher line. :D
Didn't see anyone higher than Graham but Anti managed it somehow.
They will take their revenge in due course no doubt. :D
I bought one of those 3watt LED torches from Tesco for 8 quid today. It feels very solid and well made - a bit like a fatter version of a mini-maglite. I couldn't do my usual comprehensive torch test as my bike is propped up on the door of the cupboard under the stairs ;) but initial tests under the sink in the kitchen look good and it appears substantially brighter than an Alpkit headtorch. I might have a run out with it tonight and I'll report back with my findings if I do :)
Very impressed with my 8 quid Tesco LED torch! Beam is much brighter than Alpkit headtorch I've been using although it's a tight area. I noticed last night while out with my mate how diffuse the Hope lights are and this is nothing like that but well worth a try for anyone wanting to try nightrunning for the first time, or anyone like me who's been in Yorkshire for a while ;)
I bought one at the weekend and use it to walk to the bus ever morning and evening on the dark roads. Well impressed with it. Great for shining in the eyes of drivers who don't dip their main beams. :D