Ukip

[Stagger]

I think the pound would strengthen and the trade would continue.

We could then get back to setting our own rules and tightening our boarders so the housing can be tackled.

[The devil's own]

I'd actually totally understand if some sort of revolution led to the UK becoming an 'extreme right authoritarian' country; it might be the only thing that will save the place from the results of inaction.

And you'd be happy with this?

[IainR]

Off the top of my head;

What about the working classes who work for the foreign-owned manufacturers, who employ many thousands in this country who wouldn't have any reason to remain on these shores if we withdrew from Europe?

What about the working classes who work in Canary Wharf which wouldn't be able to keep it's position as the dominant financial centre if we withdrew from Europe?

What about the working classes who work for Airbus,making the wings in the U.K.?

What about are own home-grown exporters, how will they go on when the pound plunges against the euro when we withdraw from Europe

As our energy need is dependent on imported oil and gas, could we afford being on the end of the supply chain, at the mercy of speculators?

This is the problem with UKIP... there lack of policies, so what do we do if we do leave Europe? Mass eviction, we'd have to rapidly increase our Immigration service to cope with visa applications, or would existing EU migrants be given automatic right to stay and a UK passport/residency?

[mr brightside]

No, my comments were in response to brightside saying we need to stop immigration..

Re ethical concerns.. Thats just closing them out, probably more good is done by letting them into work and money will return to their countries.

Iain, stop misquoting me. My OP said i wanted it under control, which is different to 'stopped'.

As for letting immigrants do all our work, i don't see what's wrong with all the UK unemployed in terms of their potential for graft. When it comes to how quickly people can be turned around and placed, i always like to remember how little time it took Gordon Brown to turn speeders into drink drivers.

This is a worst case scenario, but many companies will leave the UK overnight..

There are many issues with the UK, blaming immigrants for them is just very wrong, and very scary...

People should read the 'Britain First' page on Facebook...

There's just no policy to UKIP, leave Europe, then what? WHat about our national debt? Immigration needs (we do have them).. people moan about unskilled workers on the farms, but few are willing to go and do those jobs.. so would you be willing to pay more for produce?

In the US Bush wanted a big drive against immigrant farm workers and the wealthy farm owners pointed out that they could not farm without immigrants...

Who's blaming Immigrants? I just want them tightly regulated. I couldn't blame them for walking through an open door, hell- our system is wide open to abuse and whos fault's that?

[TheHeathens]

Off the top of my head;

What about the working classes who work for the foreign-owned manufacturers, who employ many thousands in this country who wouldn't have any reason to remain on these shores if we withdrew from Europe?

Why? We don't share the same currency... ???

What about the working classes who work in Canary Wharf which wouldn't be able to keep it's position as the dominant financial centre if we withdrew from Europe?

Again, why??? The financial transactions tax that the EU want to impose on the city of London will be far far more damaging.

What about the working classes who work for Airbus,making the wings in the U.K.?

What about are own home-grown exporters, how will they go on when the pound plunges against the euro when we withdraw from Europe

Firstly, a weak pound helps exporters as it's cheaper for overseas countries to purchase our goods. Secondly, it would also make labour cheaper meaning the Airbus jobs would likely stay.

As our energy need is dependent on imported oil and gas, could we afford being on the end of the supply chain, at the mercy of speculators?

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Mainland Europe is far far more dependent than us. The US will be a net exporter of oil and has within 2 years and that'll be coming our way.

Back to the drawing board Danbert

[IainR]

Iain, stop misquoting me. My OP said i wanted it under control, which is different to 'stopped'.

As for letting immigrants do all our work, i don't see what's wrong with all the UK unemployed in terms of their potential for graft. When it comes to how quickly people can be turned around and placed, i always like to remember how little time it took Gordon Brown to turn speeders into drink drivers.



Who's blaming Immigrants? I just want them tightly regulated. I couldn't blame them for walking through an open door, hell- our system is wide open to abuse and whos fault's that?

It is under control.. anyone from outside the EU is strictly controlled.. we have open borders within the EU as we need workers... they don't come to not work...

[mr brightside]

Which illegals??

Anyone from the EU is legal.. illegal immigration isn't a huge issue.. but thats a target for any party and would be just as much of an issue under UKIP..

Randoms coming in underneath lorries, like the 2 i worked with in Knaresborough a while back. They got quite a lot of work because of the backlog in processing whatever applications they had going; like i said- the system is being strained (from all directions).

As for whether it's a big issue or not, nobody anywhere has any clue exactly how many illegals are here so it's not a debate to be had.

[IainR]

Randoms coming in underneath lorries, like the 2 i worked with in Knaresborough a while back. They got quite a lot of work because of the backlog in processing whatever applications they had going; like i said- the system is being strained (from all directions).

As for whether it's a big issue or not, nobody anywhere has any clue exactly how many illegals are here so it's not a debate to be had.

So we have 2...

In the US I know a fair number of illegal immigrants.. they don't get targeted because they are needed, in the UK probably less so as we have EU migrants to fulfil menial positions in farms. UKIP and illegals are two separate issues, we would be as effective out of Europe as in with regards to illegal immigrants. We have controlled immigration from non-EU states...

[Witton Park]

Off the top of my head;

What about the working classes who work for the foreign-owned manufacturers, who employ many thousands in this country who wouldn't have any reason to remain on these shores if we withdrew from Europe?

What about the working classes who work in Canary Wharf which wouldn't be able to keep it's position as the dominant financial centre if we withdrew from Europe?

What about the working classes who work for Airbus,making the wings in the U.K.?

What about are own home-grown exporters, how will they go on when the pound plunges against the euro when we withdraw from Europe

As our energy need is dependent on imported oil and gas, could we afford being on the end of the supply chain, at the mercy of speculators?

The companies wouldn't leave. A Free trade agreement would still be in place and so no reason to move.

You are a fan of Canary Wharf are you? That was the argumeent for being in th Euro wasn't it? Did it matter?

Why would Airbus be affected?

If the pound plunges, exports become easier? A strong pound acts against exports. A floating exchange rate is necessary for a country - look at the Club Med being pinned to a currency that tracks Germany and Benelux - even the pips are squeaking in France under the strain.

We are on the end of the supply chain now. Worked in the industry in recent years and the biggest players all seem to be overseas including Siemens, EDF, NPower and the non EU Statoil.
Fred Olsen - another Norwegian company is a biog player in our tidal power investments.

[mr brightside]

It is under control.. anyone from outside the EU is strictly controlled.. we have open borders within the EU as we need workers... they don't come to not work...

The immigration system has a backlog of an estimated 60,000 cases according to that last Panorama/Dispatches i saw on the subject; and is thus out of control.

People from outside the EU were flooding in under Blair/Brown, and it was an open door with no skills needed.

We don't 'need' foreign workers in this country. Too many of our own folk are either sat on their arses or desperate for work, there is nothing wrong with giving our own population some skill and encouragement. I think Dave's 'Big Society' thing was along these lines but i can't see what if anything has been achieved. In certain cases he seems to have hit their benefits payments instead of their lack of enthusiasm, which is only going to demoralise them further.

In the interests of not going round in circles...i think we need to close our borders totally until the backlog of immigration applications is cleared, then open them to skilled workers who we need. We also need to get our own people skilled and working, and enthusiastic about both those things.