Ukip

[mr brightside]

No, my comments were in response to brightside saying we need to stop immigration..

Re ethical concerns.. Thats just closing them out, probably more good is done by letting them into work and money will return to their countries.

Iain, stop misquoting me. My OP said i wanted it under control, which is different to 'stopped'.

As for letting immigrants do all our work, i don't see what's wrong with all the UK unemployed in terms of their potential for graft. When it comes to how quickly people can be turned around and placed, i always like to remember how little time it took Gordon Brown to turn speeders into drink drivers.

This is a worst case scenario, but many companies will leave the UK overnight..

There are many issues with the UK, blaming immigrants for them is just very wrong, and very scary...

People should read the 'Britain First' page on Facebook...

There's just no policy to UKIP, leave Europe, then what? WHat about our national debt? Immigration needs (we do have them).. people moan about unskilled workers on the farms, but few are willing to go and do those jobs.. so would you be willing to pay more for produce?

In the US Bush wanted a big drive against immigrant farm workers and the wealthy farm owners pointed out that they could not farm without immigrants...

Who's blaming Immigrants? I just want them tightly regulated. I couldn't blame them for walking through an open door, hell- our system is wide open to abuse and whos fault's that?

[IainR]

Iain, stop misquoting me. My OP said i wanted it under control, which is different to 'stopped'.

As for letting immigrants do all our work, i don't see what's wrong with all the UK unemployed in terms of their potential for graft. When it comes to how quickly people can be turned around and placed, i always like to remember how little time it took Gordon Brown to turn speeders into drink drivers.



Who's blaming Immigrants? I just want them tightly regulated. I couldn't blame them for walking through an open door, hell- our system is wide open to abuse and whos fault's that?

It is under control.. anyone from outside the EU is strictly controlled.. we have open borders within the EU as we need workers... they don't come to not work...

[mr brightside]

It is under control.. anyone from outside the EU is strictly controlled.. we have open borders within the EU as we need workers... they don't come to not work...

The immigration system has a backlog of an estimated 60,000 cases according to that last Panorama/Dispatches i saw on the subject; and is thus out of control.

People from outside the EU were flooding in under Blair/Brown, and it was an open door with no skills needed.

We don't 'need' foreign workers in this country. Too many of our own folk are either sat on their arses or desperate for work, there is nothing wrong with giving our own population some skill and encouragement. I think Dave's 'Big Society' thing was along these lines but i can't see what if anything has been achieved. In certain cases he seems to have hit their benefits payments instead of their lack of enthusiasm, which is only going to demoralise them further.

In the interests of not going round in circles...i think we need to close our borders totally until the backlog of immigration applications is cleared, then open them to skilled workers who we need. We also need to get our own people skilled and working, and enthusiastic about both those things.

[mr brightside]

In the interests of not going round in circles...i think we need to close our borders totally until the backlog of immigration applications is cleared, then open them to skilled workers who we need. We also need to get our own people skilled and working, and enthusiastic about both those things.

Just to add- the former of these can probably be achieved by voting UKIP in.

[The devil's own]

Just to add- the former of these can probably be achieved by voting UKIP in.

Where do you stand on these seeking asylum, who have a substanitated claim?

[IainR]

The immigration system has a backlog of an estimated 60,000 cases according to that last Panorama/Dispatches i saw on the subject; and is thus out of control.

People from outside the EU were flooding in under Blair/Brown, and it was an open door with no skills needed.

We don't 'need' foreign workers in this country. Too many of our own folk are either sat on their arses or desperate for work, there is nothing wrong with giving our own population some skill and encouragement. I think Dave's 'Big Society' thing was along these lines but i can't see what if anything has been achieved. In certain cases he seems to have hit their benefits payments instead of their lack of enthusiasm, which is only going to demoralise them further.

In the interests of not going round in circles...i think we need to close our borders totally until the backlog of immigration applications is cleared, then open them to skilled workers who we need. We also need to get our own people skilled and working, and enthusiastic about both those things.

So how would being out of the EU help that back log? As we'd need more visa's...

You say now we don't need foreign workers... yet admit the NHS is propped up by foreign workers...

Ok so more training.. so you want to pay more taxes..

Here Brightside, have your cake and eat it...

[mr brightside]

So how would being out of the EU help that back log? As we'd need more visa's...

You say now we don't need foreign workers... yet admit the NHS is propped up by foreign workers...

Ok so more training.. so you want to pay more taxes..

Here Brightside, have your cake and eat it...

Being out of the EU means we can close our borders which will give time to process applications in backlog. New applicants would need visas- why would applications already submitted change?

The notion of the NHS being 'propped up' by foreign workers has always been yours.

Who said anything about any training costing people money?

Coffee cake please.

[IainR]

Did you even read the guardian article?

So you now oppose the view that the NHS is not propped up by immigrants?

Yet we import 1000's of Dr's a year.. why do that then?

And yes.. training costs people money...

So hold on... if we are in the EU those immigrants aren't pressuring the immigration service as they need no visa's... so how does this make any sense at all?

"Being out of the EU means we can close our borders which will give time to process applications in backlog. "

[mr brightside]

So you now oppose the view that the NHS is not propped up by immigrants?

Yet we import 1000's of Dr's a year.. why do that then?

Why are we going round in circles, Iain?

If you are saying they exist in the organisation in great numbers, i couldn't argue with you on that one. It's not an argument i want to dwell in anyway; as my original point was with regard to how the mass migration of semi/unskilled people, and illegal arrivals whom we seem to have no power to deal with, are straining the system. This wouldn't happen under UKIP, and will persist with any and all the main 3.

[IainR]

..i think we need to close our borders totally until the backlog of immigration applications is cleared, then open them to skilled workers who we need. .

And in the mean time? How does the NHS work?

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...health-service

The UK takes in 1000's of qualified Dr's a year from India, Pakistan and South Africa alone..

So you stop them? Then what?

You just have not thought this through... just no actual policies.. Its the UKIP way.. It just stands up to no real scrutiny..