No they don't! They produce things. Then via the MEDIA ( one of the real villains in all this ) they convince us that we WANT what they are producing.[/QUOTE]
Don't you know your own mind?
No they don't! They produce things. Then via the MEDIA ( one of the real villains in all this ) they convince us that we WANT what they are producing.[/QUOTE]
Don't you know your own mind?
Couldn't agree more,the common trend of people putting pressure on you to donate is getting worse.Your given funny looks if you don't "dig deep".I agree that charity should be based on voluntary actions(money/time),and when some of the big charities employ MD's earning in excess of 200k it goes against what charity is all about.I tend to donate to charities that should be funded by the government,RNLI,mountain rescue etcNo one would be compelled, because charity is voluntary.If a certain cause is important to you, and you can afford to support it(finacially or in time), then do.That decision should be entirely yours.
Seems like alot of these larger charities have created an industry off the back of peoples good will.
christopher i once had a conversation with my gran who has been dead 12 years today and she told me of a time before post war wefare state.
A time when the likes of her had to rely on charity handouts and pay for this and that and a time of poverty the likes one hopes we never have to see again. She told me of her joy of voting winston churchill out of power to see a new labour goverment come in and implement a new welfare state if you like . Sure it wasnt perfect but it was a bloody damm site better than what she had experienced before.
we need to get back to a time when it was linked to national insurance and not fuel tax , etc etc to fund it and use it for what it was intended , to help the needy not to help the idle.
Unless you're going to invite a beggar round for Christmas dinner or do something else insanely saintly like foster. (Foster parents are saints!) what's going to happen if nobody takes responsibility? It's not very grown up to rely on "charities" to look after people who need looking after. No one on this forum is saying "are there no workhouses?" I'm sure. Christopher Leigh I'll bet you're a decent bloke, but it sounds like you don't give a b*gger about anybody but yourself and your money. It's nothing to do with socialism or toryism, just common decency. This society is too big to be unorganised, for people to educate themselves and bind up their own wounds. I take your point about mass movements grinding individuals down in the name of spurious common aims. But these aims were in reality the private sicknesses of a few domineering individuals made large.
Where the welfare state fails is largely in the lack of conscientiousness of individuals; I am a teacher and was a nurse. But for god's sake go to India where people will try to sell you a discarded banana skin in order to make a living for their families. That's the market economy red in tooth and claw. Try it as a beggar not a trekker.
We're in paradise in this country. All we need to do is click our heels and turn around to realise it.
It was a conservative government that made it possible for all women to vote on equal terms to men.....that soon came back to bite them by the sounds of it !!She told me of her joy of voting winston churchill out of power to see a new labour goverment come in
I agree with GD again. Concepts are confusing and always obfuscatory in that they hide Reality. I think CD is using them to hide behind to bolster his own egocentricity and fear (which is what most of us do, most of the time in myriad ways). He is right in that the media promote simplistic conceptual thinking for economic and political gain (they are not separate). The welfare system has failings for sure, but as Daz and GD point out, the alternative is shit - look at India or God forbid America. I am happy to pay taxes to see a country that at least aims for general well being and equality and does not put the pursuit of wealth above all else; I am less happy to see those taxes wasted and misdirected by the idiots that pass for our government, for example by bailing out incompetent and greedy banks and through crap like PFI projects and deregulation which steals to line the pockets of the "giants" and their shareholding minions.
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I bought for the first time last year and found it very very hard going. I have a reasonably average job. I often think bloody hell I'm only just getting by. How do others cope with new born children etc etc.Originally Posted by daz h
I have thought that for a while now
Last edited by NotOnUrHelly; 06-02-2008 at 12:14 AM.
[QUOTE=NotOnUrHelly;103332]I bought for thew first time last year and found it very very hard going. I have a reasonably average job. I often think bloody, I'm only just getting by. How do others cope with new born children etc etc.
Got one son living and working in London, only renting at the momement and hoping eventually to move back up here and buy. Two more kids aged 7 and 4, worry about what the future holds for them.
Don't you know your own mind?[/quote]
Yes, I know my own mind. But most of the people who end up in dire debt appear to allow their minds to be moulded by the media and the advertising industry; "Must have this....must have that.....can't live without commodity 'x'....etc"
[quote=christopher leigh;103289]Perhaps I used the wrong word when I wrote "compelled". I was not refering to direct external pressure from others. I was thinking more in terms of an inner compunction or conscience due to a recognised moral responsibility, which is what would drive a philanthropist to give his spare cash to a 'worthy cause' rather than buy another Ferrari.
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