Makes you proud to be British

[Al Fowler]

What about abortion? Black, White or Grey?

And the right to assisted suicide.


God CL, you're going to have your hands full by the time this thread has really got going.

Maybe we should put you in a bull ring and each in-turn throw a questino at you.

[Margarine]

Has Nikalas really written a book about homosexuality?

[nikalas]

Has Nikalas really written a book about homosexuality?

Ha! Ha!, my own fault for using lazy language

[CL]

Thanks for having the courage to provide answers. You're right it was a loaded question, designed to find things that would divide the audience and therefore show subjectivity in responses.

Your answers, however, do throw up one interesting observation. You consider the NHS evil, and yet you must have received healthcare from the NHS. By your own logic, you are therefore a hypocrit (and a wimp??), as much as Biara is, anyway.

I'd be interested to hear your take on my observation.

Your observation is correct, but the logic isn't. In fact that paragraph sums up the fundamental flaw in your argument.

Biara supports state education. The fact that his wages are plundered to pay for it, doesn't occur to him. I on the other hand do not support the NHS. I recognise that my body isn't state property. Problem is, I'm forcibly taxed to pay for the NHS. Such taxation has left me at the mercy of the NHS, because I cannot afford to pay again for private health care. Therefore I accept NHS treatment. In fact morally, I'm more entitled to treatment than someone who does support the NHS, because I know it's moral premises are wrong.

Calling me a hypocrite is a moral judgement, but morality is a matter of choice. There is no choice when it comes to paying taxes.

One last point. I do not regard NHS workers on the whole as evil.

[CL]

Hopefully I'll satisfy Antisocial with this answer too...

BNP is inherently wrong in a modern pluralistic society and to most educated people as, at it's simplest level, it passes judgement on people based on race. However, and this is where the greyness comes in, if you believe in free speech then everyone, no matter how vile their message, has a right to be heard. It's just unfortunate at the moment, that due to the scrabbling for the middle ground by the major parties, some people are actually listening to them.

What is important to remember though, and this is the trouble I have with WP's post, is that the BNP is a choice, homosexuality is not.

In my book homosexuality is neither good nor evil but part of the incredibly diverse and wonderful human condition and therefore obviously something to be accepted. What possible reasons, except outdated and ridiculous literal scriptural interpretations, could there be for "discomfort" with it? It's part of our make-up as a species (and we're not the only ones) and as a society.

Sexuality is a prime example of a continuum trait with heterosexual and homosexual at either end and people falling at some point along the line ("greyness").

Yes tut,tut,tut only the uneducated would fail to agree with me!

The educated people that you talk about are nothing but whimp conformists, who've remembered everything and learnt nothing. They are incapable of taking an idea to it's roots, and deciding whether something is good or evil.

Science has many of such adherents. People who'll fix the data for a bit of extra government cash, whilst propagandising certain notions like global warming.(I've noticed they've been a bit quiet recently, what with all the snow).

Yes it is the so called educated people who have brought this country to its knees, and left the innocent at their mercy.

[CL]

I actually think that the questions show a problem with our society. The BNP & Homosexuality are 2 typical "taboo" issues on which you are only allowed a voice if you conform.

So in that respect there is no grey - or at least it is not allowed or recognised - all grey is de facto black.

BNP - all walks of "respectable" society say evil/black so if anyone displays a glimmer of support for anything they do, or the slightest understanding for the BNP stance, then they are also evil/black.

Homosexuality - again Society is supposed to accept with open arms without question. It is as equally relevant and right as heterosexuality. Anyone expressing any degree of discomfort is labelled as a bigot - evil/black.

People should be able to debate these subjects openly and honestly whatever their views without being then subjected to the abuse that comes from the stance they take.

I've answered the homosexuality and BNP questions on this and an earlier thread. Recently I was accused of being a bigot by an 'educated' forumite(Longdogs), and reprimanded by the moderators.

I therefore feel unable to honestly discuss this issue freely. Double that up with the possibility of some caveman crushing my skull with a club.

[noel]

Your observation is correct, but the logic isn't. In fact that paragraph sums up the fundamental flaw in your argument.

It's your logic not mine. To be fair, it probably shows my lack of understanding of your logic.

Biara supports state education. The fact that his wages are plundered to pay for it, doesn't occur to him.

Yes, I'm sure Biara thinks that state education is funded by pixies.

Therefore I accept NHS treatment. In fact morally, I'm more entitled to treatment than someone who does support the NHS, because I know it's moral premises are wrong.

Your mind is a wonderful place. I'd like to see you try that 'logic' at your local GP surgery.

One last point. I do not regard NHS workers on the whole as evil.

That's probably for the best, 1.3 million people is a lot to call evil.

[biara]

Yes, I'm sure Biara thinks that state education is funded by pixies.

Oh @@@@, so that's where I've been going wrong.

[Stagger]

PROUD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=podh1wht9RY

[TheHeathens]

propagandising certain notions like global warming.(I've noticed they've been a bit quiet recently, what with all the snow).

I've highlighted the key word. Global warming will lead to the British climate getting colder as the melting arctic ice causes the gulf stream to move South but Southern Europe will be desert like.

Anyway, that's another debate. Carry on...