Makes you proud to be British

[TurboTom]

Now now Tom. Ok so if I take the temperature of the globe today and tommorow and find that on average it is colder tommorow does that mean it's global warming?

NO....but you are using flawed logic...if you have a survey of 2 people then the results are going to be less accurate than if you surveyed 2000...same with the weather,
Its about warming over a long period of time not day to day, it is about long term not a short term event

[CL]

Does it depend on whether she's evil or good? Remember she must be one or the other. And on whether she realises that the moral premises of the NHS are wrong?

But seriously, I agree with where you're trying to lead me - she should pay for it.

BTW, I notice when losing an argument about the NHS, you quickly switch to global warming. When you're losing that one, are you going to switch back to government intervention? It's no wonder some of us still don't know what you're talking about.

I keep getting dragged around by the currents. Oh, what was the argument on the NHS that I was losing? Did you have an argument Noel?

[noel]

I keep getting dragged around by the currents. Oh, what was the argument on the NHS that I was losing? Did you have an argument Noel?

It was whether you deserve more than others from the NHS because you know it's evil. General opinion was that you were talking rubbish. At this point you threw science and global warming in to the mix.

[CL]

NO....but you are using flawed logic...if you have a survey of 2 people then the results are going to be less accurate than if you surveyed 2000 #...same with the weather,
Its about warming over a long period of time not day to day

Less accurate? You're getting wound up in misconceptions. Is the murder of one million Men morally worse than than the murder of one Man?

Oh and what is a long period? 1hour, 1 day, 1 year, 1thousand years. Pick your time period and make the global warming argument fit.

Sorry Noel,...........currents.

[nikalas]

Education is useless if you don't have honesty. This quality is very quickly lost when one is punished for practising it. So I'll say again what you refuse to understand. Discrimination by the state is wrong. To single out the BNP as racists when the other parties also practise racism is very dishonest.

Your above argument also has traces of anxiety in it, because you know very well that people who have been discriminated against are turning to the BNP. Some are very educated and are sick of living in a country with no moral status, where fecklessness is rewarded and hard work punished.

Try telling those people the BNP are racists and see what they say.

We've been there and done this before much earlier in this thread and I'm confident that my argument stands up.

However the other political parties and the government, despite their many obvious failings, don't:

- Have a leader who's been found guilty of inciting racial hatred.
- Have a leader who denies the holocaust.
- Have a party history that originates from fascist groups.
- Had high ranking party members recorded saying that they'd like to machine gun a mosque.
- Clung to a policy of only allowing caucasians to be party members.

etc, etc I could go on and you reckon it's not a racist party.

But, and I keep re-iterating this, they do have a right to be heard but I honestly can't see how anyone with half a brain or sense of decency can take them seriously, let alone vote for them.

Surely it's obvious to a goat that their media friendly facade hides a vile racist core.

[TurboTom]

Less accurate? You're getting wound up in misconceptions. Is the murder of one million Men morally worse than than the murder of one Man?

Oh and what is a long period? 1hour, 1 day, 1 year, 1thousand years. Pick your time period and make the global warming argument fit.

Sorry Noel,...........currents.

well as we know there have been fluctuations in the earths temperature before, we should use the time periods from those fluctuations and incorporate our data in order to make accurate predictions thus the a forecast of Global Warming that fits the argument...so shove that in your pipe and smoke it..and im shit at science however im not an egotistical, purposefully controversial, bitter runner .

As for morals, Morals are human emotion they differ from person to person, scientific fact cannot

[nikalas]

I've answered the homosexuality and BNP questions on this and an earlier thread. Recently I was accused of being a bigot by an 'educated' forumite(Longdogs), and reprimanded by the moderators.

I therefore feel unable to honestly discuss this issue freely. Double that up with the possibility of some caveman crushing my skull with a club.

So you don't have the courage of your convictions to put your own simplistic good/evil or black/white definition to homosexuality.

Either you can't and that blows your whole simplistic argument out of the water or you haven't got the guts and, by your own definition, that makes you a morally corrupt wimp for not having the courage of your convictions.

I think, as the Americans would say, " and that's the ball game."

[biara]

well as we know there have been fluctuations in the earths temperature before, we should use the time periods from those fluctuations and incorporate our data in order to make accurate predictions thus the a forecast of Global Warming that fits the argument...so shove that in your pipe and smoke it..and im shit at science however im not an egotistical, purposefully controversial, bitter runner .

As for morals, Morals are human emotion they differ from person to person, scientific fact cannot

TT, it is interesting as a third party in education who doesn't really know you (I know who you are) to see how your arguments and style of writing has improved over the past year. This isn't meant as sarcasm but your use of language to debate has got much better. Can't remember your A-levels but some of the teachers are doing a good job with you!!

[TurboTom]

TT, it is interesting as a third party in education who doesn't really know you (I know who you are) to see how your arguments and style of writing has improved over the past year. This isn't meant as sarcasm but your use of language to debate has got much better. Can't remember your A-levels but some of the teachers are doing a good job with you!!

erm...i guess thanks, im doing History, Politics, Theology and Philosophy and German.
Just been practicing for essays and stuff really

[TurboTom]

TT, it is interesting as a third party in education who doesn't really know you (I know who you are) to see how your arguments and style of writing has improved over the past year. This isn't meant as sarcasm but your use of language to debate has got much better. Can't remember your A-levels but some of the teachers are doing a good job with you!!

And i only joined the forum in february....so thats nearly 5000 posts in 10 months