Makes you proud to be British

[Antisocial]

Brilliant. Thought you were bowing out the post previous Anti?

Sorry old bean, I'm winding you up.

and I thought I was winding you up and thought it first so I still win.

[biara]

I never said they weren't a racist party. Good, glad you have stated that.

One last point: Britain is already a fascist country. It has been for decades. The essential characteristic of fascism is state control of private property, not racism.

I would suggest that this a little bit simplistic. When you say private property, what do you mean. Banks (or they mainly were) are plcs, as are the utility companies and most things that supply us all with material goods we need.

Are you suggesting that all property should be public as I'm querying on items like schools, emergency services, army etc. I'm not discounting your opinion on schools and NHS (both you believe should be private) but how will the rest work?

If your version of life was to exist, how would people actually pay? Isn't there going to be a large volume of people who would miss out big time as they have insufficient funds, not always through their own doing. I am generally of the opinion that all should work and all should pay for material goods / utilities but I'm not black or white on this subject!! Sorry, I'd have to say I'm very grey.

[IainR]

You accuse me of taking a snippet of climate/weather from one location and using that as an argument against a global change. Then you cite Australia as an example of global warming!

Global warming means global warming. It does not mean global cooling. You can't have it both ways, although I can see the advantage in trying to make it mean all things to all men.

Science has made life better for us in many ways. That's true, but not all scientists are honourable. Some fix their results to suit the political climate, because they're directly or indirectly dependent on government cash.

Sory you misunderstand, I was just using that as an example of how it is hotter in some parts this year. the Northern Atlantic area should have cold winters for the next decade.

Southern Europe and many other areas (Aus) will still see the rises.

Your middle paragraph is nonsense. Noone has ever argued against natural cycles in temperature. You seem to have a poor understanding of climate change. The difficulty is working out the differing contributions of natural climate cycles and anthropogenic effects on the climate.

The problem is as soon as people talk like that, people like you, say 'Oh so it could all be natural'...

[TheHeathens]

and I thought I was winding you up and thought it first so I still win.

You've bowed out twice. Quitter.

[Antisocial]

You've bowed out twice. Quitter.

But i had already won months ago, so I wasn't quitting. However as you seem to like having your failures highlighted how could I disappoint you by not responding

I will let you go back to your tirades with CL now, though I cannot shake the feeling that you are merely typing to yourself.

Enjoy the rest of your w/e

[Witton Park]

I would suggest that this a little bit simplistic. When you say private property, what do you mean. Banks (or they mainly were) are plcs, as are the utility companies and most things that supply us all with material goods we need.

Are you suggesting that all property should be public as I'm querying on items like schools, emergency services, army etc. I'm not discounting your opinion on schools and NHS (both you believe should be private) but how will the rest work?

If your version of life was to exist, how would people actually pay? Isn't there going to be a large volume of people who would miss out big time as they have insufficient funds, not always through their own doing. I am generally of the opinion that all should work and all should pay for material goods / utilities but I'm not black or white on this subject!! Sorry, I'd have to say I'm very grey.

How it would work for me is that instead of me having to pay around 50% of my income in tax and have the State decide what is best to do with that money, even if it is not best for me, that I keep that tax and use it to fend for myself.
I pay for eduction, health, pension, refuse, security......

The way that the country is progressing, we will eventually have more tax taken from us and receive a food parcel every week, with the contents allocated by the State - as they always know best

Orwell is well and truly here.

[Roy Scott]

I never said they weren't a racist party. Inciting racial hatred as bad as it is, shouldn't be a crime. So the fact that it is a crime, shows our politicians to be racist, because they prevent scathing criticism of race. Not only that but they fix legislation to favour certain racial groups.

That is why Sikhs don't have to wear a crash helmet when riding a motor cycle. It's also the reason a Man was awarded £13000 recently, because his feelings were hurt when asked to remove his turban during a police training exercise.

One last point: Britain is already a fascist country. It has been for decades. The essential characteristic of fascism is state control of private property, not racism. So it's here already Nicklas, and you live happily under it.

Yes I can see your point to a certain extent Chris, but there has to be a line somewhere.

If I was to set up an extreamist group to wipe out all with the name 'Christopher Leigh', started protesting outside your house and insighting hatred towards you; would you just shrug your shoulders and still agree that the state was racist when I was arrested for it?

[Witton Park]

Yes I can see your point to a certain extent Chris, but there has to be a line somewhere.

If I was to set up an extreamist group to wipe out all with the name 'Christopher Leigh', started protesting outside your house and insighting hatred towards you; would you just shrug your shoulders and still agree that the state was racist when I was arrested for it?

I'd knock up a membership form quick - you'll clean up

[TheHeathens]

But i had already won months ago, so I wasn't quitting. However as you seem to like having your failures highlighted how could I disappoint you by not responding

I will let you go back to your tirades with CL now, though I cannot shake the feeling that you are merely typing to yourself.

Enjoy the rest of your w/e

Bloody hell Anti. You really do get wound up don't you!? That's 3 times you've gone back on your word now and I wasn't even putting any effort into winding you up.

You've already admitted that I rile you in a way that no-one else on the forum does (and that was down to your misinterpretation of my posts!) so maybe you haven't "won" (what does that mean anyway?) after all. Think about it.

Consider this though, I responded to your PM and you replied without satisfactorily addressing any of the points raised because you know that you misinterpreted me and you're wrong.

The only valid point that you did raise was that you wouldn't like your kids reading some of the stuff on the forums (and I admitted going overboard). Since then, you've started a P*ssed thread and talked about your brother Sh*gging half of Northern Ireland which to borrow a phrase from CL, makes you a hypocrite.

I won't be responding to any replies as I've got my fingers in my ears and I'm shouting "La la la la la la la" at the top of my voice . You're a weak debater and no amount of deflection (e.g the movie Shag) is gonna change that when your arguments are shown to be flawed.

[Antisocial]

Bloody hell Anti. You really do get wound up don't you!? That's 3 times you've gone back on your word now and I wasn't even putting any effort into winding you up.

You've already admitted that I rile you in a way that no-one else on the forum does (and that was down to your misinterpretation of my posts!) so maybe you haven't "won" (what does that mean anyway?) after all. Think about it.

Consider this though, I responded to your PM and you replied without satisfactorily addressing any of the points raised because you know that you misinterpreted me and you're wrong.

The only valid point that you did raise was that you wouldn't like your kids reading some of the stuff on the forums (and I admitted going overboard). Since then, you've started a P*ssed thread and talked about your brother Sh*gging half of Northern Ireland which to borrow a phrase from CL, makes you a hypocrite.

I won't be responding to any replies as I've got my fingers in my ears and I'm shouting "La la la la la la la" at the top of my voice . You're a weak debater and no amount of deflection (e.g the movie Shag) is gonna change that when your arguments are shown to be flawed.

Mostly true - have you not got the point of the "antisocial" moniker yet? Most people have by now and either respond in kind or ignore me.