New safety rules

[IainR]

I've previously carried waterproofs the majority of the time anyway. I don't even own any wind proof bottoms. I manage to fit a waterproof with a hood and pants into a pb bum bag along with a map, compass, whistle, gloves (buff on wrist) and gels etc with no problems. Waterproof is more bulky than wind proof but not unmanageable.

Genuinely amazed if there are any serious fell runners who don't own a waterproof... they are stipulated at many events anyway...

Do agree about first aid,, it looks a bit overkill for the small local races.

[Vegan Runner]

I wish I had a wind-proof bottom. Moving on though I've had an idea about reducing bulk.

Anyone ever tried those clothing bags that you use with a vacuum cleaner? The air gets sucked out and the clothes compress down really well until you open the bag. Just a thought.

[MickTor]

I wish I had a wind-proof bottom. Moving on though I've had an idea about reducing bulk.

Anyone ever tried those clothing bags that you use with a vacuum cleaner? The air gets sucked out and the clothes compress down really well until you open the bag. Just a thought.

A vacuum dry bag would be pretty handy!

[TheGrump]

Because many long A, B or a medium A races don't really require kit especially in the Peak District when you are often close to a road and there are probably many medium B races that should require kit.

If you are injured, wet, and your core temperature is dropping by the second, how does being near a road mean it's not necessary to carry kit and you are somehow magically safe?

[Welsh Harrier]

Am I being a bit dim, but under the new rules if you're doing a long A or B race or a medium A race you're expected to carry full waterproof kit. What's the big problem (apart from defining "waterproof")? If the RO wants you to carry a phone, a bivvy bag or a fridge you carry it or DNQ. What's so hard about that? What's "aspirational" about having a rule which makes people carry waterproof kit on long races in the British fells?

You're quite right - there should be no big problem. Lots of posts here from people who have never shivered at the rear end of the pack in a soaking wet windproof. Based on personal experiences in the past year or so I bought a proper windproof (taped seams, 10,000 mm hydrostatic head) - first big test was Long Mynd Valleys earlier this year in very cold conditions with horizontal sleet, with just a windproof I would not have made it round. Packs into my bumbag no problem and I'll be taking it with me tomorrow.

[IainR]

You're quite right - there should be no big problem. Lots of posts here from people who have never shivered at the rear end of the pack in a soaking wet windproof. Based on personal experiences in the past year or so I bought a proper windproof (taped seams, 10,000 mm hydrostatic head) - first big test was Long Mynd Valleys earlier this year in very cold conditions with horizontal sleet, with just a windproof I would not have made it round. Packs into my bumbag no problem and I'll be taking it with me tomorrow.

Thats what I don't understand.. who seriously would turn up in the Peris, September race over 3000ft peaks, without a waterproof... even tomorrow the forecast is showing a chance of rain.. perfect conditions for locals really..

And if people are so annoyed at having to do so, it explains perfectly why the FRA had to ruddy stipulate that they should... no wonder Mike had to shorten the 2011 race iif some of these moaning were running around in with just windproofs to protect them should they become immobile.

[IanDarkpeak]

Thats what I don't understand.. who seriously would turn up in the Peris, September race over 3000ft peaks, without a waterproof... even tomorrow the forecast is showing a chance of rain.. perfect conditions for locals really..

And if people are so annoyed at having to do so, it explains perfectly why the FRA had to ruddy stipulate that they should... no wonder Mike had to shorten the 2011 race iif some of these moaning were running around in with just windproofs to protect them should they become immobile.

Lakes Mountain Trial competitors have already been warned that the course may shortened/cancelled due to the forecasted bad weather on Sunday

[Amex]

Is it me or ????
I have my full kit in car at if the R\O states for compettitors to carry certain types of kit I just get it from my car to carry or wear it.
If the new rules dictate that certain types of races now mean kit needs to be carried then see above

Not sure first adders at checkpoints will help that much from my experience its either ok to carry on or not a plaster won't help.
Re the plaster, as some may comment I also carry compeed in bum bag.

If competitors claim they don't know what a waterproof is well I just give up

[IainR]

Is it me or ????
I have my full kit in car at if the R\O states for compettitors to carry certain types of kit I just get it from my car to carry or wear it.
If the new rules dictate that certain types of races now mean kit needs to be carried then see above

Not sure first adders at checkpoints will help that much from my experience its either ok to carry on or not a plaster won't help.
Re the plaster, as some may comment I also carry compeed in bum bag.

If competitors claim they don't know what a waterproof is well I just give up

Its odd.. I suspect some are just anti FRA/EA regardless.

TBH I can't see how these rules affect runners really, RO's for sure. But apart from specifying HH or waterproofness (which they sort of leave as maybe we will) its pretty much common sense and nothing has changed. If you are currently racing races other than taped short trail races then you will have proper gear because many long races already specified it.

Anyway I'm off to a 50k road race... pure running at its best...

[LissaJous]

Well both of you check out the thread in "equipment" ~ almost everyone's waterproof leggings may need replacing by the sound of it, and we're talking waterproof kit that most of us have previously decided was good enough for the job (not counting OMMers etc)