Brexit

[Witton Park]

Noel and Graham, seem to quite enjoy working Oracle, etc. into a frenzy, I am bored by it. Is the EU a perfect organisation, not even close, is the Euro a perfect currency, not even close. So with the problems with each it is so easy to concentrate on all of the bad aspects to reinforce your opinions. Even experts disagree on the merits of these endeavors, so what chance do a few anonymous cowards on social media have?

All I can say is I listen to/read Irish media a lot and I never hear anything there about how the Euro and EU have been a absolute disaster for the country.

There's a lot of "mischief" going on around Brexit and the EU more widely Pat.

Here in the UK for example we have lifelong anti-EU politicians seemingly wanting to anchor the good ship UK as close to the EU harbour as they can. Corbyn and McDonnell's position can only be for purely political gain.

I don't follow Irish politics, but it seems to me we have similar goings on in Ireland.

“The economic and fiscal policies of the European Union have had catastrophic effects on the lives of many of its citizens. At the core of these policies are the Fiscal Compact, the economic governance, the Banking Union and the European Semester.
“The gap between the rich and poor in the EU is constantly increasing, social rights are being dismantled, unemployment (especially youth unemployment) remains at high levels and the people of the member states are being subordinated to poverty and stagnation.
“Democracy must be strengthened through an increased role for the national parliaments and the European Parliament, also through greater accountability, transparency and supervision of European policies.”
Sinn Féin MEP Liadh Ní Riada

You can find plenty of anti-EU stuff from prominent Irish politicians up until the UK voted to leave the EU and then all of a sudden they seem to have withered away, whether that's because Republicans see a chance to stick the boot in to the UK, or that Irish politicians know they'll need some EU support and goodwill to deal with the effects of Brexit.

[DrPatrickBarry]

Sinn Féin MEP Liadh Ní Riada

You are doing more harm to your argument than good with that quote. You would not even need a fag packet to write out Sinn Féin's knowledge of economics, a match box would be big enough. They are a marxist organisation with only one policy "tax the rich".

You need to try much harder than that.

[Muddy Retriever]

so what chance do a few anonymous cowards on social media have?

Are you referring to people on this forum with that comment?

[noel]

My posts are informative. Not emotive.

Some people find your posts offensive, but I understand that all those thousands of words are just the groundwork to then deliver punchlines like this. Keep up the good work.

[Witton Park]

You are doing more harm to your argument than good with that quote. You would not even need a fag packet to write out Sinn Féin's knowledge of economics, a match box would be big enough. They are a marxist organisation with only one policy "tax the rich".

You need to try much harder than that.

"All I can say is I listen to/read Irish media a lot and I never hear anything there about how the Euro and EU have been a absolute disaster for the country."

That was you Pat.

I gave you an Irish politicians quote. I don't know whether they are competent or not although I suspect you are correct, but that misses my point.

My point was that previously Eurosceptic politicians are all of a sudden bigging-up the benefits of the EU and/or winding back from their previous pre UK Referendum positions.

The only real clarity and consistency (in UK politics) is coming from die hard leavers and die hard remainers.

[noel]

...so what chance do a few anonymous cowards on social media have?.

I'm not anonymous.

[DrPatrickBarry]

Are you referring to people on this forum with that comment?

Yes I am. I have no idea who any of you are, but at least with the likes of you and a few others who are long term users of the forum, I guess some of the other long term users know who you are. But the likes of Oracle, a long term user who needs to create a new identity in order to spew out his hatred. That I cannot understand. Why is he afraid that we might know who he really is? Does not say much for his conviction.

[noel]

Yes I am. I have no idea who any of you are, but at least with the likes of you and a few others who are long term users of the forum, I guess some of the other long term users know who you are. But the likes of Oracle, a long term user who needs to create a new identity in order to spew out his hatred. That I cannot understand. Why is he afraid that we might know who he really is? Does not say much for his conviction.

He's worried that his membership of the labour party might be revoked.

[DrPatrickBarry]

He's worried that his membership of the labour party might be revoked.

And you are a bad man.

[Muddy Retriever]

Yes I am. I have no idea who any of you are, but at least with the likes of you and a few others who are long term users of the forum, I guess some of the other long term users know who you are. But the likes of Oracle, a long term user who needs to create a new identity in order to spew out his hatred. That I cannot understand. Why is he afraid that we might know who he really is? Does not say much for his conviction.

I don't see why you need to know the identity of people. Surely that's their business. If they make it a forum rule then fair enough. Personally I think the only relevant matter is the arguments people make and you can either agree or disagree with them. I don't know why you have to resort to abuse.