Well, if the bar chat is about races with lots of tarmac, lets not forget Llanbedr Blaenafon with its punsishing middle section through the streets of Abergavenny, traffic dodging over the Usk bridge and then the slog up past the cemetery, under the A40 and into the wilds of Llanfoist. And then, to cap it all, those who survive the Blorenge have to navigate the housing estates of Blaenafon. Brutal! Nobbys Nuts anyone?