Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post

For sure, the Greek and Italian problems were not made in Berlin, and Berlin has a point in saying they were feckless. The problems were made at home. But the euro makes it impossible for them to recover, and Berlin refuses any help of any meaningful kind. It wants the advantages of the club, not the problems. Berlin always did want its cake and to eat it.

Are you suggesting that subsequent events (in Italy, Greece...)have turned what was a good idea at the time into a catastrophe rather than that the governments of countries outside the Paris/Berlin axis were at fault in not seeing ahead?