World Cross Country

[Chris]

Was involved in this thread near the start, left and all hell broke loose.

However lets look at some FACTS that support one side of this argument...and just to let you know I was a member of Hallamshire at the same time as Coe was running his world records and infrequently saw him training and more frequently saw Peter Elliot and John Brown training and frequently trained with Carl Thackery (for those of you who don't know the name UK 15,000M and 20,000M (57.28!!) record holder and top 3 all time 10miles 46.07 and 1/2marathon. 61.04

Re 10 miles in 45 mins, whether he did or not I don't know but what I do know is he would have more than given Carl a race over 10 miles and he could do it in 46 mins!! Anyone who can run 8x800m in 'well' under 2 mins with 45 secs rest and has a mile pb of 3.46 is gonna find 4.35 pace pretty easy for a fair distance!!

Re weights, in winter he did 2 or 3 sessions a week and could front squat well over twice his bodyweight. Remember hsi father/coach was a scientist and everything Coe did was specific to running middle distances at world record pace. Power to weight ratio is crucial and this was how they developed that.

Finally to the person who said if he could do that over long distance why didn't he....pretty obvious really why would he? he won 2 Olympic golds, 2 Olympic silvers and set numerous world records between 800m and 1 mile...its only mere mortals who feel the need to test themselves over many distances, when you're the best at something you stick at it, you don't get there by being a jack of all trades!!

I think they are interesting points there Bladerunner.

I think the point about strength to weight ratio is good. The workouts in training are awesome.

I disagree with anyone though who wants to start talking about what such and such an athlete had the "potential" to do. I think this is what you are getting close to doing. It is the most meaningless word in the language.

[Mad Dog]

I think the answer is "Silence of the Lambs".


Woof!

[dominion]

I think the answer is "Silence of the Lambs".

Wot, you mean great athletic perfomances are due to eating his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti?

Woof!

[CL]

Was involved in this thread near the start, left and all hell broke loose.

However lets look at some FACTS that support one side of this argument...and just to let you know I was a member of Hallamshire at the same time as Coe was running his world records and infrequently saw him training and more frequently saw Peter Elliot and John Brown training and frequently trained with Carl Thackery (for those of you who don't know the name UK 15,000M and 20,000M (57.28!!) record holder and top 3 all time 10miles 46.07 and 1/2marathon. 61.04

Re 10 miles in 45 mins, whether he did or not I don't know but what I do know is he would have more than given Carl a race over 10 miles and he could do it in 46 mins!! Anyone who can run 8x800m in 'well' under 2 mins with 45 secs rest and has a mile pb of 3.46 is gonna find 4.35 pace pretty easy for a fair distance!!

Re weights, in winter he did 2 or 3 sessions a week and could front squat well over twice his bodyweight. Remember hsi father/coach was a scientist and everything Coe did was specific to running middle distances at world record pace. Power to weight ratio is crucial and this was how they developed that.

Finally to the person who said if he could do that over long distance why didn't he....pretty obvious really why would he? he won 2 Olympic golds, 2 Olympic silvers and set numerous world records between 800m and 1 mile...its only mere mortals who feel the need to test themselves over many distances, when you're the best at something you stick at it, you don't get there by being a jack of all trades!!

Thanks for that Bladerunner.Very interesting.I was beginning to think no one else understood the issues.

Regards

[CL]

I think they are interesting points there Bladerunner.

I think the point about strength to weight ratio is good. The workouts in training are awesome.

I disagree with anyone though who wants to start talking about what such and such an athlete had the "potential" to do. I think this is what you are getting close to doing. It is the most meaningless word in the language.

Absolute rubbish!You've completely ignored the evidence given on this thread Chris.You had nothing to offer when facts were given.

So a woman who's pregnant doesn't have a potential human being in her body?

[CL]

I just hope someone like Haile.G or his friends never come across this thread or there could be trouble.

Why?Opinions are being expressed on here, and opinions can be wrong.

[CL]

I expect we know what your question means, even if you don't because they wouldn't be the "same athlete" would they?

What you mean is "same in every other respect" but that would make your argument circular - which I think was obvious some time ago.

I don't know whether the question I asked was possible, even at different times.It was just used for the basis of discussion.

[CL]

CL

It depends on which one has the better speed at whatever their sustainable % of maximum speed is - ie if the runner with a lower Vomax can work at a higher % of it than the runner with the higher Vo2max then they will go faster

Also it will depend on how efficiently they are able to use either body fat stores or external energy sources during the latter stages of the race

Some one with a high Vo2 max but who uses a high % of carbohydate as opposed to fat will be great for 60-90 minutes of running but struggle after that

Lets simplify.If I have a V02 of 60 today and 80 in 6months.Will I run a faster marathon today or in 6months?

[CL]

I think the answer is "Silence of the Lambs".


Woof!

Yes! Great part by a great actor.

[CL]

Salbutamol: do we know how often Paula takes it or whether she took it on the occasions of her championship performances? I only take it when I'm short of breath and that's usually a response to environmental factors. I carry it, but 9 times out of 10 don't use it on a run. CL this is a real person's reputation you are traducing and even if salbutamol does boost performance significantly maybe Paula simply wasn't using it then. I can't remember reading anywhere the precise details of her prescribed medication usage.

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